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Thursday, 16 March 2017

Cult meeting notice



More details (not mentioned on the AA website): the group is part of the Road to Recovery franchise ... Sharing MUST centre on sponsorship .. remember in the cult the Higher Power IS your sponsor ..oh! ... nearly forgot! No FUCKING swearing permitted!

What a load of bollocks!

The Fellas (Frigging Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS For other cults in AA check out Primary Purpose and Back to Basics (the latter a nice little earner!)

Tuesday, 1 April 2014

The perils of going tie-less! Ah! The good ole' days ….. How we miss 'em!


Extract from the aacultwatch forum (old)

Firstly (and after a bit of digging around) let's look at the full quote that you refer to from the aacultwatch site:
Taken from the Area section (South West) and as follows:
16/02/09
The cult in Bristol
A recent email:
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"Greetings

I have just found your site and am finding it very informative. My experience of the Roads is mainly through listening to other members, but 15 months ago I did attend a funeral of an ex sponsee who had moved and started going to Roads and then phoned me all the time with his horror stories. …..... was a lovely man and he was totally screwed by the Roads crowd.

My own story isn’t a horror story but it did leave a nasty taste in the mouth all the same. I was secretary at a group in Bristol and one of the members was a sponsee of Wayne at Plymouth Roads. Wayne was invited to come and speak on step 8 and duly turned up with half a dozen in tow who must have had at least 18 months between them. These young roadies then proceeded to question me about my recovery and told me how great life was for them now that they had found ‘the way’.

One by one, before the meeting started, they told me that I was going to drink and die as I had committed the terrible crime of turning up to chair an A.A. meeting without bothering to wear a tie.

Wayne must have been equally appalled because when it came time for him to talk, he forgot all about step 8 and lectured us all on how we were not true A.A.

This was a few years ago and I was probably 10 years sober at the time, and many of the other group members and visitors were 20 plus years sober and none of us were impressed. After the lecture we then listened to an orchestrated response from the other roadies who were kind enough to let us know what we were doing wrong.
I put it down to a bad experience and found much to laugh at (after all, misery is optional) and had almost forgotten about it until the next steering meeting. I was hauled over the coals by Wayne ’s sponsee for allowing a regular visitor to the meeting to ‘go off message’ when he spoke about something other than step 8 and I apparently had not said the correct things either.
I did not act as well as I might have, because during this lecture into my deficiencies as a chairman I decided that I had better things to do and went home.

Wayne’s sponsee soon after left the group and started a Roads to Recovery meeting in Bristol . I have since left Bristol but my understanding is that the Bristol Roads meeting is still going, but not attracting many visitors and only has a few members. There are about 80 meetings a week in Bristol and many of them have been going for 25/30 plus years and perhaps the Roads will find it difficult to get a toe in. Plus, the fact that the members that I know are such obvious bullies very few will be attracted to go back a second time.

May I wish you well in your endeavours to bring to our attention the dangers of the cult in our fellowship. Having said that, I go to very few meetings now unless I visit Bristol , as the other end of the spectrum is a fellowship where anything goes and that is equally unattractive. Perhaps one of the reasons the cult have managed to get so far is because some A.A. is so toxic. Someone said balance – I suspect that that is what we may need if A.A. is to continue to help save lives.

In fellowship
....

Give me a "Jeremy Kyle" brand of meeting any day of the week - mind you from what I've heard Wayne would be a prime candidate as a participant in that show (that is following  upon one of its usual themes....)”

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

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PPS For new aacultwatch forum see here. Have your say!

Monday, 9 July 2012

Behind the façade........



Hello again,

Yes I know, another email! I'm sorry but I haven't been able to stop reading your website today. I've been in AA for over 6 years now and have experienced many of the groups discussed in your blog. From the Westway meetings, to Plymouth, to Vision for you (my sponsor originates from them) to the Pacific Group.... I've been reading as much as I can. …...

Last year I was teetering on my breakdown and my home group was becoming more and more of a chore to attend. All the old crap about keeping your emotions and problems out of meetings still haunted me. I felt like a failure for feeling this way. I had embarked on the first proper relationship in my life and the consequences of not knowing how to relate in one became apparent very quickly. I had no-one to turn to. I didn't want to share in meetings about it, I didn't want to talk to anyone about it, I trusted no-one. I kept this charade going. Pretending I was dealing with it... the thing is, I’ve been doing that ever since I came into AA. It started in the Road to Recovery meetings.

Those meetings have hindered so much of my development. Thank god I found my partner and a very responsible and trustworthy therapist. Both him and her have given me a real life not a pretend fantasy life. It's that old cliché of - if you think it's so, then it will be it. What a load of crap. Magical thinking eh. Not being able to cope with pain was the bedrock of my recovery and the backbone of the R2R Groups... What I mean by that is the R2R meetings were obsessed with good upbeat stories, lots of smiles, lots of happiness, great chairs, sparkly eyes, laughter, jokes...what they despised was reality, problems, thoughts of suicide, drinking again, relapsing, money worries, REAL LIFE ISSUES!! I got used to this. I liked it so much. My life had been full of devastation and depression. So when I entered these meetings it was only natural that I would fall under their alluring spell. In the end the spell began to wear off. I didn't fully wake up though... no, that happened last year.

My partner used to be an investigative journalist and when we first got together he challenged my thinking more than anyone had ever done. I was living in a protective bubble fooling myself that I was living or even happy. I was focusing on helping so many people and I put myself always to the back of the queue. I was out 5 nights a week around London meeting this person and that person. Then at the weekend I was so exhausted that I would sleep from Friday to Sunday night before I had to start it all over again. Working 40 hours a week also. It was ridiculous... something had to give and it was me. I was signed off work last year and started the hard and painful task of facing up to real life. I'd been putting it off for years.

I probably wasn't ready to read your blog then, but now I’ve got some sort of life now which has meant I’ve been re-evaluating my relationship with AA. What it means, where I go next, what's the road ahead? It's tough actually. I still have those old tapes running around my head. Even in my meeting I felt emotionally blackmailed into being the 'perfect' AA'er! Members would regularly say that they thought it was disgusting when they found out people didn't do 12 stepping calls. Or how effing rude it was if people didn't shake people's hands or make an effort to talk. I found this judgement particularly hard to swallow. I wanted to shout at this person (many decades sober too!) to say, "what if that man/women had lost their family today?? And all they needed was somewhere to feel safe so they didn't drink?" The bull that I heard in a lot of meetings really got to me.

It felt more like a pub than a meeting. People joking with each other whilst others shared. Silly giggling and snide remarks. I would watch the expressions of newcomers and visitors. Some looked dumbfounded. They didn't know whether to laugh or walk out. The people with mental illnesses were also looked down upon. Tutting or general rudeness if they disrupted the meeting somehow. Allowing people to be verbally violent and aggressive in meetings and finding it funny was typical. But love and compassion for someone who was obviously very sick was lacking. I couldn't stomach it any more. Funny enough not one person from that meeting ever checked to see how I was doing. I was one of the so called 'star' group members. Not that I wanted that accolade. So when I went off even sicker at …...... I heard nought, nothing, nada! Fellowship my arse... the obsessive reminders of the need to be part of a 'fellowship' is only ever on the group's or individual's terms.

I've had a mish-mash of experiences since I came into AA. Not all of them bad and not all of them good. The jury is still out on my future in AA. I still check in with some of the most vulnerable AA'ers and some of my old sponsees. I just like to say I’m thinking of them now and again so they know someone in the world is. Personally my health and …... are my priorities right now. I've been incredibly absorbed in doing life how others told me to do it. I'm interested finally in finding my path and my way of life. I don't care any more if it doesn't 'satisfy' the elders. I haven't turned my back on AA but I certainly won't be pushed into something I haven't considered.

What is the future of AA? The cults have infiltrated so much the last 20 years with little apprehension. It's disturbing to think that the problem has been left to fester like Japanese knot weed. And if you have any experience with this weed you'll know that it slowly takes over things and kills it without so much as a hello or goodbye. And it's next to near impossible to destroy. I never knew what the word Cult really meant, I always assumed it was of an extreme murderous nature. But then when I’ve watched how innocuous and subtle certain personalities can be and what devastation they leave I’m under no illusion that the Westway, Ealing, Greenwich, Plymouth, Bristol and the notorious Pacific Groups are all poison.

Will York or New York Head Quarters do anything? Can they do anything? It's scary to think that our most vulnerable individuals in society are out there being abused and used as we speak and no-one is doing enough to help them.

Keep up the great work, all the best …..”

(our edits)

Our response:


"Hi....

Again thanks for the emails. …........ And thank you for the Share extracts. We were aware that Happy Dennis is a frequent if somewhat saccharine contributor to them (as well as the Plymouth gang etc) [so much so that perhaps Share magazine should be renamed the Plymouth Road to Recovery Echo!]. Lastly we are always happy to receive information about people's experiences of the cult groups. It serves, in some instances, a cathartic function when you know who you are communicating with has been through the same sort of stuff. A lot of AA members still don't grasp the implications of what these people are up to – but we're getting there!

Your experiences are by no means unusual for those who have had prolonged exposure to the cult meetings. The subtle - and sometimes not so subtle - manipulation does become very wearying after a while. And they are fundamentally dishonest 'showcases' for recovery without any corresponding depth or breadth of message. It is vitally important that people attending AA meetings feel they can be honest about what is going on in their lives – good, bad or indifferent. AA should be a liberating experience for everyone and yet in the cult meetings this is the last consideration. A script has been written for you and you'd better not ad lib it – or else! As for the future ….... that's really in our hands. Either we take responsibility for our conduct – individually and collectively – or AA will simply fall apart. For our part we're pretty optimistic although we think it's going to be a bit of haul getting there. We look forward to hearing from you in the future........”

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

(our usual thanks to our correspondent)

Monday, 13 February 2012

A Minority report (continued)(4)


The advice given in David C’s Big Book Recovery website on professional counsellors, medication and step 5 are a direct contradiction with the Alcoholics Anonymous “Big Book” and the “Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions”:

Those of us belonging to a religious denomination which requires confession must, and of course will want to go to the properly appointed authority, whose duty it is to receive it… … If we cannot or would rather not do this, we search for our acquaintance with a closed – mouthed, understanding friend. Perhaps our doctor or psychologist will be the friend. It may be one of our own family, but we cannot disclose anything to our wives or parents which will hurt them or make them unhappy.” (Alcoholics Anonymous, “Big Book” page 74,)

This person may be one’s sponsor, but not necessarily so… … Perhaps, though, your relationship to him is such that you would care to reveal only a part of your story. If this is the situation, by all means do so… … It may turn out, however, that you’ll choose someone else for the more difficult and deeper revelations. This individual may be entirely outside of A.A. – for example, your clergyman or your doctor. For some of us, a complete stranger may prove the best bet.” (The Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, page 62)

An A.A. sponsor does not offer services such as those provided by counsellors, the legal, medical or social work communities, but may sometimes help the newcomer to access professional help if assistance outside the scope of A.A. is needed. (Questions and answers on sponsorship, page 14) http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-15_Q&AonSpon.pdf

A.A. Does not….solicit members….follow up or try to control its members…. Make medical or psychological diagnoses or prognoses… … provide … … any medical or psychiatric treatment; offer religious services; engage in education about alcohol… … or any other welfare or social services; provide domestic or vocational counselling…” (Members of the clergy ask about Alcoholics Anonymous page 18) http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-25_membersoftheclergyaskaboutaa.pdf

If we recognise religion is the province of the clergy and the practice of medicine is for doctors, then we can we can helpfully cooperate with both” (Concept 12, warranty five)

It is a sad day indeed, when victims of abuse in A.A. seek support elsewhere; when the safeguards and procedures already available are not being used; when professional alcoholism counsellors write to the A.A. Grapevine, asking A.A. to read its own literature.

It is a sad day when a District Committee Member (D.C.M.) in the USA, does not appear to be able to find important information from within the A.A. Service structure; but instead, the concerned A.A. member feels the need to source it from a non AA UK internet forum:

In this USA area, about 2 1/2 years ago in 2008, a Yellow cover book - "Back to Basics " by Wally P., began to be passed around; soon many were buying it and some malcontented [sic] people from a few AA groups began to gather to discuss the book. They were generally outspoken and not recieved [sic] well by AA groups and the strong opposition seemed to bond the malcontents to each other. They had a fixed idea of how the 12 steps should be done, an out of balance view of AA history and statistics. Like claiming that AA once had 75% success rate; and futher [sic] claimed AA lost that sucess [sic] rate when AA became organized!

The movement has grown more active and now "seeds" meetings and discussion rooms with individuals who push their views. Now, there seems to be an organized effort for 6 to 10 "Back to Basics" people to meet before a target meeting - they split up a few small groups - go to various tables or each Meeting Room and steer discussions into issues which give them a format to present half truths and thier [sic] "sprituality" [sic] claims.

Many of us "regular" AA people are concerned. It seems to me that your experiences are similar and may be repeated here in this USA area. I found your "Cultwatch" site on the Bing search engine. The information is valuable and appreciated by me and I have passed the web address on to a DCM friend”. (aacultwatch forum; subject entitled “Back to Basics movement”) http://forums.delphiforums.com/aacultwatch/messages/?start=Start+Reading+%3E%3E

There needs to be better communication within the fellowship.

This is a statement at the bottom of the page on Wally P’s Back to Basics website:

After receiving notification from the General Service Office about our mission statement, the Board of Directors of the Back to Basics Foundation met in a special session and voted to change the wording of the statement so it would be in compliance with the Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous.

The Board also voted to move all materials pertaining to other Twelve Step programs to separate web sites, so there would be no confusion about the primary purpose of the Back to Basics Foundation.

We ask for your patience in this matter because, at the present time, we have no means to accomplish this objective. We have no paid employees, and continue to operate with a negative cash flow. If it is God’s will, there will be sufficient individual donations to make the wishes of the Board of Directors a reality.

The Back to Basics Foundation is a 501 (C) 3, not-for-profit Corporation dedicated to saving the lives of alcoholics. Our modified mission statement is listed below” http://www.aabacktobasics.org/

Perhaps the A.A.W.S. Trustees ought to take note of Bill W’s leadership when passive negotiations fail with “Our promoter friend” turned “alarming poser” (A.A. Comes of Age page 130 -131), such as they have with Wally P; and when necessary, to call on support from the A.A. groups. If Wally P says his foundation “at the present time has no means to accomplish this objective,” then perhaps he needs some assistance. We are sure some two million A.A.s worldwide would be only too willing to help both another alcoholic and the Trustees as well.

Strong letters … … … letters of a kind the sponsor might not like to receive” as Bill W. put it, is a powerful dissuasive tool for any Traditions violator. And as Bill W. recognised, the “right of petition” is recognised in any democratic society. It cuts both ways.

We wonder why warranties five and six have not been carried out to their full. Why information about Back to Basics has not been disseminated throughout the world service structure down to the G.S.Rs and a request to intergroup Public Information committees to inform the general public of misuses of the A.A. name.

Privately, however we can inform Traditions violators that they are out of order. When they persist, we can follow up by using such other resources of persuasion as we may have, and these are often considerable…….. And to this end we shall need to maintain a continuous education of our public communication channels of all kinds concerning the nature and purpose of our Traditions……….. Whenever and however we can, we shall need to inform the general public also; especially upon misuses of the name Alcoholics Anonymous. This combination of counter forces can be very discouraging to violators or would be violators. Under these conditions they soon find their deviations to be unprofitable or unwise." (Concept 12, warranty five).

Finally, any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an A.A. group provided that, as a group, they have no other purpose or affiliation”. (Concept 12, warranty 6).””

Comment:

The AA Service Manual combined with the Twelve Concepts for World Service (2011-2012 edn). And see below for the relevant pages (Concept 12: Warranties 5 and 6 in full)



From the above it can clearly be seen that the Back to Basics movement is an entirely separately run organisation with its own financing, service structure, literature, meetings directory etc. As such it falls into the category of an “outside organisation” and under AA traditions an AA group which affiliate themselves with such are in breach of Tradition 3 (long form):

“—Our membership ought to include all who suffer from alcoholism. Hence we may refuse none who wish to recover. Nor ought A.A. membership ever depend upon money or conformity. Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an A.A. group, provided that, as a group, they have no other affiliation.”

(our emphasis)

In our view, and in accordance with the above tradition, (and with reference to the above mentioned warranties) where such a group is listed in any AA directory (local and/or national) it should withdraw its listing immediately or be removed. Moreover any GSRs associated with Back to Basics groups should exclude themselves (or be excluded) from service at AA intergroup level (and indeed at any level in the service structure). Steps should also be taken to inform all relevant outside agencies e.g via PI, HL etc that these groups are not affiliated with AA and should not be taken as such. In this way a clear demarcation will be established between the two entities. The same principles apply with regard to the Primary Purpose movement, and on similar grounds eg. separate meeting directories (although they still represent themselves as being part of AA). Nevertheless their continued – and deliberate - misrepresentation of AA recovery rates, their abusive sponsorship methods and moreover the existence of commercial interests operating within this grouping further disqualify them from any claim to be associated with AA. The Visions/Road to Recovery groups are for their part not so easily identifiable as a collective (although there is an unofficial network of these groups in existence with the usual emphasis on abusive sponsorship practices, anti-prescribed medication/counselling policies etc). In this case each group should be treated individually and where they fail to mend their ways (which is usually the case) should similarly be excluded from the service structure with all outside agencies being notified accordingly. It is only by applying such admittedly drastic methods that we can ensure that these groups (and their members) no longer inflict harm on newcomers and thereby bring AA into disrepute. Inaction on our part is no longer an option

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS See our UK and US “Cult Where to Finds” for a preliminary listing of these groups. However we believe that these represent just the tip of the iceberg!

Sunday, 29 January 2012

A Minority report (continued)(3)


A.A. is dealing with a new phenomenon, for which most are unprepared. It presents an extremely complex debate and it is a toxic cocktail of the following ingredients: Global internet communication; the outside influence of a very narrow minded, dishonest, fundamentalist Christian rendering of A.A.’s program and history; a generation of “elder statesmen” who have no experience of dealing with a serious problem in A.A; who also lack knowledge of A.A. history and the ability to apply Traditions and Concepts; and the majority of whom appear to see no threat in placing liberty above that of our common welfare.

This cocktail has produced not so much cult groups, but a collection of cult groups of various descriptions, which together amount to a neo-Oxford Group fundamentalist movement. These groups have international connections with figureheads as leaders: Joys of Recovery, (Detroit USA – London UK, David C.), Primary Purpose group of AA (Dallas), (global affiliation, Cliff B. Myers R., Chris R.), Back to Basics, (Global affiliation, Wally P.), Road to Recovery, Plymouth UK- Pacific Group USA (Wayne P- Clancy I).

The new dynamics to AA presented by outside published literature and global internet communication may have exposed a weakness in our service structure to which AA has yet to adapt. The speed and reach of electronic communication today means that the behaviour of one individual AA group, or a minority, can now have an enormous negative and permanent impact on the whole A.A. public relations. Moreover, this speed and reach of communication can give power driving figureheads a platform to influence AA, not only in their own locality, but internationally. With the reach and permanence of worldwide web, it is questionable whether the resultant damage to A.A. public relations and loss of public confidence caused by these groups is sustainable for the fellowship as a whole, if this is permitted to continue.

For example, The Joys of Recovery group (Detroit – London, David C.):
Extracts from the “Big Book Recovery” website hosted by a David C:

Counsellors, Psychiatrists http://bigbookrecovery.com/now_that.html#solid_alcohol
The general approach for the majority of cases is for us to discontinue seeing psychiatrists and counselors [sic] if you are seeing them for treatment of the symptoms of alcoholism eg [sic] alcoholic depression… … Also there are likely to be contradictions between the two courses of treatment. We chose between the two. If we chose to do the AA programme, we stopped seeing the counsellor/psychiatrist until we had done the first nine steps.......”

Alcohol In Solid Form http://bigbookrecovery.com/now_that.html#solid_alcohol
........Prescribed mood-altering drugs? Drugs that are mood altering (eg [sic] "antidepressants") are often prescribed for the symptoms of the alcoholism. This is true even when alcoholism is not named by the doctor as the condition for which he or she is prescribing the drugs; for example, many of us are diagnosed as having a variety different sorts of psychoses and types of depression, which turn out to be the symptoms of alcoholism … ... If they are prescribed for the symptoms of alcoholism, then they are to be considered as alcohol in solid form: we must be willing to come off these ‘chemical mood-changers’ … …We ask the doctor: ‘Would it be alright if I came off the drugs if I go to lots of AA meetings?’… … ... It is very important that if the programme is to be a substitute for these drugs then we really must follow all the suggestions of the programme.”

Sexual conduct http://bigbookrecovery.com/step_four.html#how_to
........Later on, as part of Step 5, we give an account of our secret thoughts to our sponsors. Many revealed things to our sponsors that we had never told anyone before. (This is applicable also to all our darkest thoughts, not just those of a sexual nature”)

Trust Our Sponsors http://bigbookrecovery.com/now_that.html#solid_alcohol
So it will be very difficult for us to trust in the programme and the Higher Power unless we can trust our sponsors first...”

But I’m doing the Programme and I’m still feeling down
http://bigbookrecovery.com/step_twelve.html#all_affairs
If you think you’re doing the programme and not feeling good, then we have good news for you. There is every chance that you’re wrong — you’re not doing the programme. The answer is to find out what it is you are doing that you shouldn’t; or what it is you are not doing that you should.”

Victims of the abusive sponsorship in London and Detroit share their experience with each other on an internet forum:

I was reflecting on when I first was recruited in to joys and I was thinking about how uncomfortable I felt. ………….I remember crying to my sponsor about the pain I was having and explain to her that I never felt my body freak out so much not even when I was in to partying and taking drugs as I did when I came in to joys and she was just starting to yell at me. I remember the first time she really screamed at me when I called to check in I was in my standing in my kitchen and I just recently dumped my ex boyfriend and he just moved out I felt I was moving forward in my life on to a healthy and higher road and then my sponsor screamed at me and I just felt like this behavior [sic] feels way more unhealthy then the what the boyfriend I just dumped did. I felt like she was just waiting for him to leave so I would be alone and she could yell at me and start the abusive and control cycle. I studied the cycle of abuse wheel in high-school and I think that describes perfectly my relationship with my joys sponsor there were definably honeymoon periods and tension building periods and then the terrible acting out phase. I remember I always felt extremely uncomfortable art [sic] the 4 joys meetings I attended weekly. Being on the outside now I can see that a lot of the things that I struggled with such as panic attacks were due to being in joys I don’t have those anymore. I have also realized why I was attracted so much to joys and that it did meet many of my unmet needs such as belonging friendship caring involvement and many many [sic] more. Now that I am out of the group I have to work harder to try and meet these needs and when I don’t I find myself missing joys.” (aacultwatch forum; subject entitled “Gut feelings”)

Another gradual change in their cult environment involved the persistent push for a greater commitment. It always had to be more, and soon the members felt overwhelmed and wondered if they could ever make it. Could they ever be pure enough? Could they ever reach enlightenment? Their leaders were the only proof that these standards were achievable. For me in joys was will I ever get done with 9 and when I get done with step 9 I will be happy. I have sence [sic] learned that being done with nine is really about accepting the cult belife [sic] system and passing it on. I felt even more inner torment when I was done 9 then I did befor.[sic] They created this false impression that once I got done step 9 life would be grand which was quite the oppiset,[sic] but it did apper [sic] that way on the outside. Cult leaders used various techniques to tighten their hold on the group. One of the more effective was scapegoating [sic]. One member would be publicly humiliated in front of the group. This created dread among the cultists because they never knew when it would be their turn and never wanted to be used as a negative example I have been the scapegoat at joys they tear you up in there shares. I have also played the role of tearing others up in there shares and trying to push them in a relapse when they wouldn’t accept the group”.
(aacultwatch forum; subject entitled “Elite club”) http://forums.delphiforums.com/aacultwatch/messages/?start=Start+Reading+%3E%3E

A.A. Grapevine articles by professional alcoholism councillors:

A Plea for Non-interference (AA Grapevine May 1990, Vol.46 no.12).

I have a high regard and respect for AA's Twelve Step program and have witnessed countless success stories….. I am also aware of unnecessary human pain and suffering among recovering members…… Often I have heard AA members who think they know best for all alcoholics and perceive that if you just ‘work the program’ everything will be fine. That is not always the case. There are members in your program who have experienced traumatic, life threatening events and who need professional help and, sometimes, medication……… On several occasions I have had clients who were extremely suicidal and had sought professional help. Recently, two clients threatened suicide, and because AA members thought they knew more than the medical and psychological professions, the individuals almost died… …yet AA members stepped in and convinced my clients to discontinue use of the medication.

……… Members often advise vulnerable, emotionally confused people not to seek medical and mental health assistance, and to take no drugs………..The two suicidal individuals of whom I speak had been sexually abused as children by three or more members of their families and had experienced other abuses as well. Both were emotionally and psychologically fragile………..I suggest that each AA member read in the Big Book where it addresses the issues of obtaining outside professional help when it is necessary…...... I do not like to be placed in a position where people want to die and it's up to me to try and protect them from self-harm. I am the person in the trenches, passionately dedicated to saving lives and helping all people recover not only from alcoholism but other life threatening problems. Please stop telling other recovering AA members not to consult physicians and psychotherapists. Please stop telling members that they are ‘breaking sobriety’ by taking needed medication. Please stop enabling members to attempt suicide.
(Extracts of an article by P…B…, alcoholism councillor, Colorado)

Dear Grapevine, Playing Doctor” (AA grapevine January 2010)

As a psychologist in addictions, with 23 years of recovery in AA, I would like to express concern about the letter titled ‘Misdiagnosis’ (Dear Grapevine, September 2009). While it is true that many people in mental health have inadequate addictions training, it is also true that many people with addictions have other mental health issues. I have not seen the sign, ‘I have one disease--alcoholism--and if I take care of that one disease, everything will be okay,’ at any meeting, nor is this sentiment reflected in any AA literature. Many people have co-occurring substance/alcohol and psychiatric disorders that interact with each other. Untreated bipolar disorder is not conducive to ongoing sobriety, for example. Neither is active psychosis. The list goes on. Dr. Bob and Bill W. emphasized respect and cooperation with the mental health professional community. We emphasize not playing God in AA; let's remember not to play doctor, too. Anonymous””

Comment: A fairly hard hitting analysis of where WE have failed (individually and collectively) to be both accountable and responsible for the welfare of those who come to us for assistance. It is worth noting here that these problems have not been imported into AA from outside ie. via treatment centres etc but have emerged from within our own society. Moreover we have already been explicitly warned of the personality type which underlies these dogma driven and essentially dishonest approaches. In this instance we refer you to the basic text: “Alcoholics Anonymous”, Chapter Five: How it Works pp. 60-62 (beginning with: “The first requirement is that we be convinced that any life...” and ending with: “We had to have God's help”.). From this it can be seen that these essentially narcissistic personalities seek to impose their perspective (largely false and mostly contrived) on others either by manipulation or by direct coercion. Their strategies are various ranging from: a presentation of an alternative AA programme citing Oxford Group (a fundamentalist Christian movement) influences together with references to a preliminary draft of the Big Book (that presented a much more dogmatic approach - and which was subsequently rejected by the early members as unworkable); a largely apocryphal (and predominantly anecdotal) presentation of AA recovery rates (ranging from 75% to 97%) that (it is alleged) was the norm in the 'Akron version' of the recovery method, this delivered via an authoritarian 'sponsorship' system (established supposedly by Clarence Snyder – an early AA member who moreover did not view with any great favour the adoption of AA's Traditions). As already indicated the internet now provides the means for an easy dissemination of this reformulation of both AA history and methodology. We have acquired a whole swathe of largely self-appointed 'experts' on recovery who use this medium for the proliferation of their highly questionable 'philosophies'. So for example David C (Joys of Recovery etc) believes himself qualified to pronounce on matters relating to medical diagnosis, counselling, psychiatric conditions etc. To the best of our knowledge he has neither formal training in these disciplines nor even direct experience (and nor for that matter did his sponsor David B)(see Dual Recovery Anonymous (Medications and Recovery) for more on the consequences of such advice). His approach most clearly exemplifies the role of sponsor as the new “Higher Power” in AA. Indeed far from “quit[ting] playing God” this type exercises a degree of control over their charges' lives which would be the envy of any Stalinist regime with no sphere of activity being exempt from their direction (and we do mean here 'direction' and not 'suggestion); dress code, relationships, work, finances, sexual activity, beliefs, attitudes, values etc all fall within the purview of this almost God-like personage.(see here: an example of sexual voyeurism included as part of the cult's version of a moral inventory). For their part the compliance of their 'victims' is ensured through a mixture of bribes (eg. the so-called twelve promises) together with the ultimate and extremely potent sanction (ie. 'if you fail to take direction you'll drink again!') and so on. The Primary Purpose/Back to Basics gang, on the other hand, tend to favour a misrepresentation of AA recovery rates to lend any credence to their own version of recovery claiming that the alleged decline can be attributed to a progressive “watering down” of its original presentation. In connection with this the essay by Tom P (later amended by his son Tom P Jnr) “Gresham's Law and Alcoholics Anonymous” is frequently cited as supporting evidence together with various questionable statistics (generally unsupported themselves by any hard evidence or derived from samples so small that they hardly represent a sound basis for any argument), both of which have been challenged by AA members (see here and here). The Back to Basics movement make various claims about the numbers of people who have been through their course and their success (unspecified). However they seem unable to supply the requisite data and moreover seem ambivalent about their relationship with AA ie. are they independent of AA or are their groups listed in our Where to Finds? The Primary Purpose grouping again place much emphasis on the 'watering down angle' (tied in with a commercial operation - a nice little sideline involving bookbinding). Cliff B, Myers R, Chris R seem to be most active in promoting their various study groups, workshops, speaker tours together with all the usual spin offs (study guides, CDs etc – and not forgetting of course those rather expensive but oh-so-desirable custom bound copies of the Big Book care of Myers R and Chris R). The Road to Recovery (otherwise known as “Joys”, “Visions” or more colloquially amongst AA members as the “Taliban”, “Step Nazis” etc) derives from the movement founded by David B (and continued by David C) back in the late seventies/early eighties. David B (the originator of the “Misery is Optional” slogan, this itself a misrepresentation of AA literature) placed a great deal of emphasis on the role of sponsorship elevating it to its current perverse pre-eminence within the cult hierarchy. Interestingly David B omitted to practice what he preached failing apparently to avail himself of this allegedly indispensable adjunct to recovery (it was discovered subsequently that his so-called sponsor was yet another figment of his extremely fertile imagination!). A liar and a fraud (and with voyeuristic tendencies) he was nevertheless most convincing and managed to build up a small coterie (based mostly in Chelsea and its environs) but which subsequently dispersed to other parts of the country including - and most notably - Plymouth. Here it has flourished (to such an extent that the local intergroup is essentially run by this single group) and has formed links with the Pacific Group in the US. With regard to the latter this has been headed up for some years by Clancy I. The same pattern emerges as always with these essentially incestuous cliques, and from which devolve the usual abuses associated with such groupings, this culminating in probably the worst exemplar to date: the Midtown groups in Washington DC. (Incidentally - and perhaps not totally surprisingly – the ex-ring leader of this group Mike Q(uinones)(now deceased) was a sponsee of Clancy I as is Wayne P of the Road to Recovery (Plymouth). Now it would be unreasonable to blame the sponsor for the misdeeds of their sponsees but one does have to ask what kind of “guidance” was (is) being offered in these cases; let's hope it's not “direction” and, moreover, doesn't involve 'meds'; Clancy is an exponent of the anti-prescribed medication perspective!). Finally we come to Joe (deceased) and Charlie, a duet of AA members who for some years now have been “carrying the AA message” (although which one we're not quite sure!) to all and sundry. In a virtually non-stop tour their workshops, tapes, CDs etc have been disseminated throughout AA (mostly in the US but with regular forays into Great Britain - usually via the Bristol Reunion – yet another questionable collective!). The material is mostly innocuous though heavily laden with Christian referencing and primarily suitable for those AA members who prefer their programme pre-packaged and 'microwaveable'. The audience at least will come away from these events feeling satisfied in the same way one does after consuming a Chinese takeaway. The warm glow of satiation lasts just long enough to give the illusion of a filling meal but then the hunger returns too soon afterwards. Still one can always top up with another CD from some other expert with yet another version of the recovery programme! Perhaps this one will include Chapter 7 – Joe and Charlie for some reason seem to have missed that bit out in their own unique rendition? Or perhaps it's because the Big Book's Step 12 doesn't quite coincide with theirs).

More anon

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Monday, 27 December 2010

"Primary Purpose" and "Back to Basics" groups and meetings

The following meetings (GB) are listed on various "Primary Purpose/Back to Basics" directories (prominent amongst which is the Dallas Primary Purpose movement). The directories themselves are accessed via websites (some identifying themselves as being associated with Alcoholics Anonymous, others not so). These sites carry quite explicit, misleading and unproven information on AA and on AA recovery rates (and this to AA's detriment). This has have been brought to their attention by aacultwatch (together with evidence to the contrary - see following links: AA recovery rates; Primary Purpose - so far we have received no response). The inclusions of such separate directories are contrary to AA traditions and moreover a clear breach of one of AA's three legacies ie unity. We consider these groups (and the groups included in their directories) as being divisive, dishonest, and quite disingenuous, and moreover so far removed from the guiding principles of AA as to no longer constitute genuine AA groups. We are quite aware that some groups which propagate this misleading propaganda do not use either of the above titles in their group names. Equally however there are those that do utilise these denominations but which are in no way associated with this perversion of AA; this question must be left finally to each individual to make the appropriate judgement. However we would advise newcomers (and those who are in contact with newcomers) to be aware that groups which bear such titles (as well as those that use the terms "Big Book Study group", "Newcomers" or "Beginners" meetings, “Road to Recovery” - but bearing in mind the above caveat) should be approached with some caution. The profiles of these cult groups have been covered in some detail on our website.

England

Primary Purpose Big Book Study Group
Beckenham, Kent
Wednesday 19:15 hours
Downham Way Family Church

Line by Line Big Book Study Group
Brighton
East Sussex
The Crypt
St. George's Church
St. George's Road
Thursday 6:30 – 7:30 pm

Primary Purpose Group
Brighton, UK
Monday 7.30pm Millview Hospital

The Coleshill Primary Purpose Group
Coleshill near Birmingham
Sacred Heart Church
Wednesday 8:00 PM

The Halifax Primary Purpose Group
Halifax, West Yorkshire
The Ebenezer Centre
St. James Road

Maldon Big Book Study Group
Maldon, Essex

Eccles Big Book Study Group
Eccles, Manchester UK
Tuesday at 8:00 PM
Friends Meeting House
The Polygon, off Wellington Road
Eccles, Salford

Primary Purpose Big Book Study Meeting
259 Pitsmoor Road
Sheffield,
Mondays 7pm - 8.30pm

Southsea, Portsmouth
Monday
7:00-8:00 pm Back To Basics Meeting
St Simon's Church
Waverley road,
Southsea, Portsmouth

Southport Tuesday
8:00 pm-9:00pm. Back To Basics Meeting
Quakers Meeting Rooms
Court Road
Southport

Barnoldswick, Lancashire Tuesday
7:30-8:30 p.m. Back To Basics Meeting
Holy Trinity Church,
Skipton Road,
Barnoldswick

Women's Primary Purpose Group (Enfield)
Enfield, Middx
St Andrew's Parish Hall, Room 3, Silver Street
Tuesdays 7:30pm - 9:00pm

Enfield Primary Purpose Big Book Study
Enfield, Middx
Convent of the Holy Family
London Road
Saturdays 7:00pm - 8:00pm

AA Primary Purpose Big Book Study Group
Perranuthnoe, Cornwall
Wednesday 7.30-9.00pm
Perranuthnoe Church Hall

Purley There Is A Solution Big Book Study Group
Purley – South London & Surrey
Purley Reform Church
Brighton Road
Mondays 8:00 PM

Sunday Night Big Book Study Group
Stratford on Avon
Mulberry Street
Sunday - 7:30 – 9:00 PM

Toddington Primary Purpose
Toddington
Saturday 7:00 PM

Scotland

Aberdeen Big Book Workshop
Aberdeen
Thursday 7.30 - 9pm
St Peters Roman Catholic Church
Castlegate

Aberdeen
Wednesday
8:00-9:30 pm Back To Basics Meeting
St Marks Church
Rosemount Viaduct

Big Book Study Meeting
Edinburgh
Monday 8pm,
Apostolic Church Hall
New Street, Musselburgh

Priesthill Big Book Study,
Priesthill Community Hall
Priesthill Road
Pollok
Glasgow

Big Book Study Meeting
Edinburgh
Monday 8pm,
Apostolic Church Hall
New Street, Musselburgh

Motherwell Primary Purpose Group
Motherwell
The Baptist Church
Windmill Road
Monday night 8pm

Big Book Study
Dundee
Lochee West
Monday night 8pm

Wales

Johnston Primary Purpose Big Book Study
Johnston
Pembrokeshire
at "The Oasis”
Near Johnston Baptist Church
Tuesday evenings 8.00pm to 9.30pm

Monday, 21 September 2009

From the South-West

And so the Road to Recovery Plymouth cult group saga rolls on... and on ... and on......

The word is (well - considerably more than one word to be honest but we'll spare you every inconsequential detail) that the cult group (together with its participating members) has withdrawn not only from Plymouth Intergroup but from South-West region, and is proposing to set up its own Intergroup. This would comprise four Plymouth groups (? - meetings surely!), two in Bournemouth and one in Penzance (we're aware of one Bournemouth group so we'd be interested to know which one is other - and some more details on the Penzance group?). This matter is being discussed by everybody and his dog as far as we can make out - GSO, various Intergroups in the area etc - and the emerging consensus (outside of the Road to Recovery cult group) is that it's an unnecessary duplication of the service structure. However this move on the part of the R2R group is simply an extension of a well established cult strategy - if you can't gain control of an AA group then you set you up a competitor in the same area; the last concern of the cult is AA unity, despite their protestations to the contrary. It is also debatable whether the new Intergroup would be an AA Intergroup at all. Certainly it would be set up in breach of AA Traditions (nothing new there then!) and would simply be using the AA name in order to continue to feed parasitically upon the Fellowship (Note: It's interesting to observe in this connection that when members of the aacultwatch team started to conduct research on the activities of the cult a fair proportion of this was done via the internet. We rapidly encountered a whole mass of websites (forums etc) on the WWW which were extremely hostile to AA, with contributors citing examples of poor treatment (religious dogmatism, anti medication policies, intrusive conduct ie. control freaks, segregation etc - all characteristics of cults) they had received on coming into contact with the fellowship. These accounts were largely quite unrecognisable to us as members of AA, and we were initially inclined to write these complaints off as mere "resentments" on the part of those who were disenchanted with the AA approach ("disease concept", religion, powerlessness, etc). But when we examined the conduct of the cult groups we saw a clear match between their methods and the complaints being voiced on the anti AA websites. We're not going to pretend that every ill can be blamed upon the cult but there is an extraordinary correlation between the cult's dogmatic and intrusive stance and the accusations levelled at AA as a whole, certainly as evidenced by this particular medium. It is clear that the cult groups and their methods are contributing significantly towards presenting AA in an extremely poor light - to this audience at least).

Anyway to get back to Plymouth R2R cult group.... As you may recall we thought it more likely that Little Wayne et al would continue to infest AA for as long as they could get away with it, play the victim role for all it was worth but finally pull back from the brink... going it alone. But contrary to our prediction, and as can be seen from the above, Little Wayne and gang are still set upon their course - to establish their own "brand" - but remain content for the time being to purloin the AA name for as long as it serves their purpose. However in one detail we were spot on - Little Wayne has managed to reprise his favourite role and complains that nobody in Region loves them any more (our irony) but expresses the view that Plymouth Intergroup "had now managed to get rid of Road to Recovery Group" an opinion that was repudiated by the Intergroup in their response, viz: this "was not accurate. Roads members had elected to leave, and it was never the intention of Plymouth to force them out".

Finally, and whichever way it happens, the exit or removal of the R2R cult group from Plymouth Intergroup can only be good for AA. The greater the distance put between these cult groups and the Fellowship, the more this will reduce the damage that is being done to the Fellowship and its programme by these extremists.

Thursday, 13 August 2009

Intolerance & Disunity

One of the aacultwatch team came across this little gem recently - and we've taken the title straight off the cult website which published the article in question. It could almost become the cult "motto" - they are, after all, its most active proponents.

It is truly fascinating, and indeed never fails to take our breath away, the sheer arrogance and obtuseness of a cult member in full flight. Apparently this particular individual is feeling rather peeved because he's been on the receiving end of some somewhat impolitic behaviour on the part of a few AA members. This conduct might even be construed as abuse, but then abuse comes in many forms, doesn't it? For example, the widespread and systematic manipulation, brainwashing and outright intimidation of newcomers by members of the cult groups might be regarded in some quarters as a form of abuse - but we're not going to go into that here - the remainder of site contains ample evidence on this theme.

You'll no doubt be relieved to hear we're not going to give you a blow-by-blow account of the article; the original is easily viewed - but we suggest only by those with a strong stomach.

We should commence by saying that one of the favoured tactics of a cult member, when the pressure is starting to tell, is to go into "victim" mode. By playing the "underdog" - the "poor misunderstood fellow with only the best of intentions" - he may then go on to play the "wronged party" and thus move neatly into depicting everyone else at fault, "not working the programme" etc. Does this sound at all familiar to you? We think so.

So this particular plaint starts off with a lecture on the AA logo, the legacies it depicts, and an explanation of how the Traditions evolved. Now the favourite tradition of the cult is Tradition One, and our "poor innocent" goes on to quote this:

'Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon AA unity.'

Now there's no question that it's an important tradition but for the cult it serves another quite distinct purpose. It is frequently brandished by them as a means of stifling any dissenting voice, for this might "threaten" AA unity. It should be noted that this particular concern does not seem to worry the cult unduly when they happen to be that dissenting voice - Alexis K (cult member - Road to Recovery, Plymouth - and famous abuser of the General Secretary of Alcoholics Anonymous - see here) has expounded in detail on this one, and his verbal dexterity would be impressive, that is if one were easily impressed - and we're not. So any sign that AA members might dislike the way the cult conducts its business, or worse, dare to express that, shall we say, revulsion, then this tradition is immediately cited, and thus order (cult order) is restored. But the tradition that you rarely hear mentioned by the pointed headed ones is Tradition Four - see Big Book - because that really does cramp their style. Yet again an attempt has been made on their website to reinvent this Tradition - but yet again we're not easily impressed. But usually it's simpler to either misquote the tradition or ignore it completely - and the cult do both - it really doesn't serve their purposes.

The plaintiff then moves onto to describe in glowing terms his endeavours to go forth into heathen lands (ie AA meetings) to spread the "wonderful message of recovery that was so freely given to me". Now we're sure you're all thinking: "Well! He can't be such a bad lad, not with such fine intentions, and we do think you (aaccultwatch) are being a bit harsh on him". And you know what? We think you're right. In fact we'd go even further and say we KNOW you're right. And how do we know? Why! The fellow tells us so himself. We quote: "I believe that I am by nature a well-mannered, friendly, kind and gentle young man". Well there you go! How could such a fine fellow be subjected to such gross impoliteness as displayed by these nasty, nasty AA members. You should hang your heads in shame! Apparently some of these villains (a "small minority") would refuse "to shake my hand and even swear at me sometimes in a disgusting manner". Furthermore, the fellow goes on to explain - and we can even now see the look of innocent bewilderment spreading over his saintly face: "I was mortified by this as I had done nothing to harm these people by either word or deed". Well this is shocking stuff! We then discover that the reason for this hostile welcome is down to the home group attended by our budding martyr - the local cult group. Now the fellow becomes "baffled" for this is the very group which "showed me exactly what I needed to do to recover from alcoholism quickly and easily with loving kindness." (our emphasis – part of cult propaganda) He then goes on to describe in "clone speak" his recovery and the fact that he did not respond to these attacks in like fashion but instead would still offer "my hand to shake in fellowship, smile saying hello" etc ad nauseam. A little bit of reality kicks in at this point and the fellow admits to "curs[ing] them behind their back as I have got feelings you know, and we are a sensitive lot us alcoholics after all. But face to face I treat them with loving kindness in the hope that one day they will see me as the good-hearted man and alcoholic that I am...". Well, by now we've clearly identified who the goody is, and who the baddies are, haven't we! And we've discovered one of his priorities - image is all!

And now the denouement: "Sadly the day finally came when I felt unwelcome in an AA meeting for the first time because of the growing attacks against myself and my home group". A confrontation occurs and he claims that "most of the members there apologised and joined me in solidarity". Subsequently it seems that other members - presumably that ubiquitous "minority" (cult speak for the rest of AA) - join in the attack - and the "minority" view has its day, and our "good-hearted" fellow walks out of the meeting in disgust. The source of contention seems to be the cult group's "policy" on medication, which, like everything else it is involved in, is grossly intrusive. Apparently this group has its very own policy on the subject. Now please let us break the news to you - AA already has guidelines on the matter - and they've been around some time now. We don't really need any more. (The problem for the cult is that it has such a well proven track record of saying one thing in public and practising quite another in private (particularly with regard to the prescribed medication issue) that its primary mode of expression has become "the lie"; and the bigger the better. So it really is rather disingenuous to play the innocent when it comes to matters of fact and record)

To continue: it would seem that so devastated was this fellow by what had taken place, and even with his own reactions, that he rang up a "highly respected old-timer that was at that meeting" who in turn conveniently provided the "victim" with the justification and rationalisation that he so desperately needed. It turns out that our "well-mannered, friendly, kind and gentle young man" had retained his reputation and it was in fact the fault of all the others, those nasty, unkind, "off the programme" members at the meeting. He was told that he had "done nothing wrong" and that moreover he ("the highly respected old-timer") was surprised that it had taken me so long to react to all the attacks against me over the previous two years" - thus our almost flawless friend is rendered "reputation intacta".

So shaken was he that he even considered: "I felt that I couldn't go to any other meetings again apart from my home group". This is presented as some dreadful punishment inflicted upon this hapless and entirely blameless victim by the wicked AA members. But the fact is that most cult members are actively encouraged not to attend AA meetings for fear that they might be contaminated by the diluted and erroneous programme practised there. They only venture forth either in little bands on poaching missions, or on "missionary work" amongst the benighted heathen ie. AA. Unfortunately for us he has decided to continue with his selfless endeavours amongst us poor lost souls, and will continue to "do as much service as I can in line with the 12 traditions of AA" (that is except for Tradition Four) The "victim" concludes with this little insight - and we do mean "little": "Coincidentally I have found that the small minority [there it is again] causing so much damage to unity within AA are often the ones that say that they don’t read the Big Book, bad-mouth the 12 Steps and have no interest or regard for the 12 Traditions. Bill W. was right when he said that if AA doesn’t survive it will be because it was destroyed from within."

So there you have it. The reason why we have gone into some length upon this particular individual is that he most clearly illustrates the mind set of the average cult member (those who are suitably on-message). He clearly establishes his credentials as the aggrieved party in the whole matter, and not once does it cross his mind that there might be some reason behind this antagonistic response to his presence in an AA meeting (we refer you to the Big Book - pp. 61-62). His image must be maintained at all times and and he wants to be thought of only in his own terms. Failure to comply with this particular perspective can only be because everyone else is "wrong" and he must be "right". Finally, anyone who fails to share this viewpoint is, of course, part of a "small minority", who are entirely bent upon damaging AA unity, who know nothing of the the Big Book blah blah blah... Well, we can't speak for AA (since no one does) but we can speak for ourselves, and here's a little insight from us. The members of the aacultwatch team ARE well acquainted with the Big Book, DON'T bad-mouth the 12 Steps, and HAVE A CONSIDERABLE INTEREST AND REGARD for the 12 Traditions. The problem is that we have to deal with a "minority" of cult members, posing as AA members, whose ignorance of these areas is literally stupefying, and quite probably irremediable.

Finally might we suggest, and of course in all humility - a virtue seemingly lacking in our "victim" - that the next time he attends an AA meeting perhaps he would be well advised to keep the orifice beneath his nose tightly zipped, and the holes on either side of his head wide open - he might actually become acquainted with the recovery programme of Alcoholics Anonymous rather than the perversion put about by the cult.

And finally finally - if that fails to do the trick then might we suggest that he follow the advice of Little Wayne (Plymouth Road to Recovery cult group):

"....just walk on by because there is nothing here for you"

Cheerio

The Fellas