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Showing posts with label Visions cult. Show all posts

Tuesday, 21 March 2017

Cult meetings update: Beckenham and Notting Hill


We've been told that the Beckenham Wednesday night meeting has reverted to AA (but we're going to leave it listed in our Cult directory for the UK anyway. Members will easily be able to tell if it's AA or not ie. absence of dogma, nobody issuing orders etc etc)

On the other hand you'll find no end of 'suggestions' at the Notting Hill Vision for You venue on Friday night. Here you will be told what you can and cannot share (even being interrupted in mid flow so we're told! Spot the control freak!). Of course this approach has absolutely nothing to do with AA. Pure cult!

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Thanks to our correspondent

Friday, 18 July 2014

The 'Visions' – all 'puff' and no substance!


Extracts from the aacultwatch forum (old) 

When I first came in I had a "vision" sponsor and was encouraged to make a "cult" meeting one of my two home groups (a vision suggestion). I loved it with all the positive sharing and I even got a kick out of the way people (including myself) used to criticize regular AA as "those boring other meetings"!!...It was only after a couple of events (triggers) that I started to have concerns over this particular meeting and my sponsor...firstly my sponsor came up to the meeting one night from quite a distance away to check whether I was getting to the meeting an hour before it started...a suggestion...needless to say I wasn't and got told off for it....secondly his sponsor called me one day to chat and finished with "don't ever doubt your sponsor"...a suggestion...strange I thought...thirdly at a group conscience the steering committee dictated the format of the meeting not the group..the group didn't have a say...after this I parted with my sponsor and found the fellowship of AA waiting for me...totally different...full of love..genuine laughter and responsibility...I had to start again and this time the miracle happened...I rejoined society and now attempt to live in the real world and not some pretend its all OK "spiritual" holiday camp where I sort my problems out by calling a newcomer...recovery is about honesty and humility...you can't be humble if you're not being honest and vice versa....in short it helped me initially because I wanted to hear that its ALL good but it wasn't real...so no I think from my experience it does more damage.” 

The two main areas of focus for these cults are a) newcomers..this is an obvious point of attack as from my experience I didn't know any better..I didn't know how AA worked...I didn't know there were these cults inside AA...I enjoyed their meetings because they were all "happy clappy" and no one shared their silly little problems (I didn't know they weren't allowed)...the world was all wonderful in recovery..never a bad day etc etc.. and b) the longer term member who enjoys a little self promotion....they are very very good a boosting the ego..I used to go to a visions meeting where people would attempt to out do each other over how wonderful their lives were...I started to feel something was wrong and one day I went to this meeting and shared up how I was actually feeling (my wife had asked for a divorce..I was 6 months sober)...at the end of my share..guess what...silence..no thank you ...nothing...I had stepped over the mark..some didn't like what I 'd shared some didn't know what to do...I left..never to return..since joining AA proper I have had the love and companionship of the fellowship support me through all sorts of heartaches but they've also been there to hear my gratitude..and plus..I can be there for others as well...it is like getting sober again but this time for real...the freedom I enjoy now is freedom from active alcoholism but also freedom to be me without having to answer to any self appointed guardian..one person responsible for my sobriety..me..no one else...I look at these at groups and shudder.”

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

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PPS For new aacultwatch forum see here. Have your say!

Thursday, 24 April 2014

Traditions! What Traditions?


Extract from the aacultwatch forum (old):
I remember during my involvement with the Vision for You cult in the late 1990's there were many splits and breakaways, usually over the most trifling and trivial of matters.

Outside the cult fold the Vision group earned itself the nickname "Division for You" ! The Vision itself was a breakaway from Joys. No doubt there have been subsequent splits and factions. It's the tedious nature of the Beast !

These cult groups break the Traditions in so many respects it is difficult to know where to start. Of course, they are always personality centered, with a "Leader" - a chief sponsor who fancies himself as a guru. The real requirement for membership of these groups is not a desire to stop drinking (as set out in the AA Traditions) but a desire to agree with and be obedient to this chief know-it-all sponsor in every respect. This is how these groups pervert the message of AA.

We now have a situation where some cult meetings are no longer referring to AA conference approved literature at all, but to something some headcase sponsor-guru has made up, as in Ealing right now, where an "abridged" version of the Big Book called the "Yellow Book of Big Book Quotes" is being used. This 28 page booklet is minus many serious omissions from what the Big Book actually says, and may well be in breach of copyright as it uses quotes from later editions of the Big Book. One individual personality - "Happy Dennis" - cobbled this perverted opus together and, aside from some dogrel "poetry" composed by Dennis himself, the AA name is linked to and used to promote an outside enterprise - a non-AA website largely concocted by David "The Icon" C which purports to be Big Book recovery but is actually no more than a collection of his private and narrow-minded religion-based opinions of what is in the Big Book.

These groups really are shameless in their disregard for AA Traditions. And the culture of these groups is dismissive and contemptuous of the fellowship as a whole. I know because I used to be part of it - to my past shame, yes, - but, believe me, experience is the best teacher!”

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

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PPS For new aacultwatch forum see here. Have your say!

Saturday, 15 June 2013

The Big Book Study Movement


Final Report: Leinster (Eire) Intergroup Sub-Committee (September 2008)





Source: Alcoholics Anonymous General Service Conference of Ireland
Alcoholics Anonymous News Sheet – update – Dec 2008/Jan 2009

Extracts:

No group or individual should deem themselves an authority on how to interpret the Big Book on behalf of others. The steps are suggested and experienced sponsors are wise enough not to give newcomers hard and fast directives. There are no authorities in AA and even self-appointed teachers have “feet of clay”.

Our knowledge of recovery has been received in the Fellowship through the experience of one Alcoholic sharing with another Alcoholic and it was not received on an instructive basis or in a classroom atmosphere”.

Many times we have heard an argument supported with one part of a tradition whilst the second part is completely ignored. This phenomenon seems to occur, quite often, in Tradition 4. “Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or AA as a whole. Autonomy seems to be used as an argument, to explain or defend, why a group ought to do what a certain member wants it to do”.

Sponsorship

In AA sponsor and sponsored meet as equals, just as Bill and Dr Bob did”.

The Internet and Website

Conference, (a collective Group Conscience of all the Groups in Ireland, both North and South) requested that there be only one website for Alcoholics Anonymous in Ireland and that the Groups, if they chose, would list the times, dates and places of meetings, as in the Directory, without the contact names and phone numbers, in the interest of unity. Conference felt that if Groups started to host their own websites [eg. The Road to Recovery (cult) group Plymouth], it might create competition between them and would dilute the very purpose of what was intended, which is simply to inform the public and their members, of where and when meeting [sic] are held”.

And finally:

Tradition 5 …..The unique ability of each AA to to identify himself with and bring recovery to the newcomer in no way depends upon his learning, eloquence or any special individual skills”.

(our emphases – in bold print)


Comment: As we've said before (see The Big Book Study Movement is outside of the Structure of Alcoholics Anonymous In Ireland) the General Service Conference of Ireland seems to be light years ahead of its GB equivalent. They have identified the problem, discussed it and evolved a clear strategy to deal with the issues raised. What a contrast they are with Great Britain's service structure which seems barely able to acknowledge that a problem exists at all let alone begin to respond to it! Ostrich-like they bury their heads in the sand in the hope that these dogmatists will just go away (see Minority Report 2013 and Primary Purpose/Back to Basics). We repeat our previous question to our “trusted servants” (??): Precisely how many newcomers have to suffer and die before clear action is taken to exclude these meetings (Primary Purpose, Back to Basics, Visions) from our fellowship? How long are AA members going to continue to inflate the egos (and the pocket books) of the sundry circuit speakers, Big Book 'experts' and other parasites by subscribing to their so-called 'workshops' and assorted 'study guides' together with all the other accessory junk they produce? In fact just when is “I AM RESPONSIBLE” going to be something more than a mere form of words to be mouthed meaninglessly at AA meetings?

Over to you

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Our thanks to the member who obtained a copy of the newsletter from GSO Ireland

Sunday, 19 May 2013

News from Denmark and Finland


We quote: 

Hi,

Great initiative, …... recently arrived ….. in Denmark to [discover] "a vision for you" had a stronghold here....

As far as I can determine the Clancy-clan of the Pacific group had their philosophy migrating to an airbase somewhere in Germany.  A Dane picked it up and brought it to Denmark. He is out drinking this day. It's terribly unloving. There are some pretty better-knowing narrow-minded people running their own show (the mens-only group will reject a woman desperately seeking a meeting and having 1K in the pot that they go away on a yearly weekend self-developing ; ripping my hair out).

Nice thing is: that apparently Finland had AA splitting into two separate organisations. Simply because the hardliners with a Vision for You got the boot.

How are you doing with them over there? Having our fellowship high- jacked by bigots is awful enough as it is. ( I can stay away) But watching people relapsing because of their weird rules is even worse.

All best regards, in fellowship

...”

Our response:

"Hi ….....,

Thank you for your mail.  We haven't put much on the site about what is going on in continental Europe until recently so it's interesting to hear from you. We always appreciate as much detail as people can supply about their own experiences of  'cult' activity. Our own efforts are mainly concentrated on exposing them and providing AA members with as much information as possible so they can make their own decisions. Essentially what is happening is that AA is beginning to split into factions in the UK with the 'dogmatists' going in one direction and the remainder of the fellowship in the other.  Their hardline attitude simply drives newcomers away. In the long run if AA does not take action then the fellowship will simply disintegrate.  Membership numbers are falling in the UK [down to 20,000 'regular' members - AA's own estimate] (but see *) and this is a trend we expect to see continue (not all due to cult activity we should say!).  Nevertheless we remain optimistic that members will finally face up to what is going on and start to take the issue seriously - and act!"

(our edits)

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Our thanks to our correspondent. Any further information would be welcome!

* Error - this figure refers only to a sample of groups. See here

Wednesday, 17 October 2012

First the 12 Steps – then the 6 Suggestions – now the 7 Questions....


What next! First we had the 12 Steps …. then the 6 Suggestions (c/o the cult) ...... now the 7 Questions (according to the Wizard of Oz .. the artist formerly known as Clancy I)......


We came across this listing fairly recently (together with a gushing tribute from one of his adherents). The formulation is in itself unremarkable (and we're not going to repeat it here for that reason) simply reflecting a restatement of what is already covered quite adequately in existing AA (conference approved) literature (the Steps, Just for Today card etc). However what is of interest are the accompanying comments.


According to the commentator at least this approach is particularly helpful for “hardcore cases” (?) some of whom it appears have even been “referred” to the aforementioned Wizard! Moreover it has been “discovered that they are very effective when dealing with rock-bottom newcomers and with the high-bottom intellectual types” (are there any other kind?) and even “oldtimers who were struggling through a difficult period” (that seems to cover pretty well everyone then!)


So far so good (if not demonstrating a rather overenthusiastic tendency towards placing people in categories … so much easier than relating to them directly!). The 'fan' then goes on to specify further conditions:


I never give the newcomer the questions without also setting a time for them to complete their writing. Normally, I’ll give them the questions and expect them to be finished with their writing by the next day, and I’ll have them call me so that we can get together and discuss their answers and apply the solution to their problems.”


It is unclear whether this too forms part of the Wizard's method but we suspect so given his reputation. However the apparent contradiction to this accelerated process demonstrates itself clearly at this point especially if one takes into account the concluding comments (and yet more conditions!):


If the newcomer procrastinates and doesn’t meet the deadline for the questions I usually consider that they are not yet serious enough to approach their problem and I move on to help someone else.”


Now of course it could be argued that given the nature of the questions themselves the proposed time schedule is far too optimistic. If in fact the newcomer is serious about their recovery then they would probably require a lot more time to consider fully the implications of the questions, introspect accordingly, and then formulate their responses in a considered and reflective fashion. In light of this an overnight “cramming session” hardly suffices. What seems to be more important, or at least from the perspective outlined above, is that they conform to some rather arbitrarily determined schedule set by the 'examiner' (as these appear to be). Moreover the issue as to whether the newcomer is procrastinating seems to revolve around whether they meet the “deadline” imposed on them or not, and where failure implies instant dismissal. This mechanistic approach should be contrasted with that exemplified in the book “Alcoholics Anonymous” (Chapter 7, Working with Others) where there could not be discovered a greater antithesis. Throughout the text it is again and again emphasised that the “prospect” should not feel under any pressure, and be encouraged rather to take the lead than be treated as if they were some kind of errant school child. Unfortunately for the control freaks in our midst (and we include the above) this approach simply will not do! Whatever formulation you come across whether it be the Joe and Charlie so-called “Big Book Study” (where Chapter 7 is virtually ignored), the 'Dallas Cowboys' (aka Primary Purpose), the Back to Basics gang (see Primary Purpose link), the Visions mob (aka Road to Recovery, Joys of Recovery), all place the emphasis on 'control' by some kind of human authority rather than reliance on a Higher Power (one that is probably NOT human). The agenda is set by the 'controller', the outcome is 'dictated', and failure to 'comply' is punished with a range of sanctions. Finally the 'object' of their 'message' is generally treated thus rather than as a real human being - and disposed of accordingly!


For our part though we think we'll stick with the original method – a couple of alkies just trying to help each other! No deals.. no contract!


Cheers


The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Tuesday, 3 July 2012

A further miscellany (various sources)



I would like to talk to you about the origins of the Vision cult and its connection with Brompton Oratory and Mother Theresa! David B [founder Visions cult UK] read a lot of Mother Theresa but seems to have got it all garbled. David C "The Icon" [similarly connected] proceeded to import fundamentalist Catholic spiritual discipl[ine] and moral teaching into AA (Vision) and present it to his sponsees and newcomers as being "real AA" when of course it isn’t. By the way the guy called "Derek" who was involved in the North London Intergroup meeting where his meeting was shut down a few years ago ?? His assertion that he didn’t know that the Step 4 material he was distributing came from a non-AA website is a lie. …......David C "Icon" [one of the authors of the website] is his sponsor! He would have known fine [and] well where it [had] come from.”

I witnessed many regular members leave too, sometimes in the most hostile and acrimonious manner. David B. sacked sponsees for the slightest failure to obey his every whim. Not long before David B died there was another acrimonious split. The Vision meeting at Eaton Square was very well attended and the numbers exceeded the limit for the building fire regulations. Following a group conscience, (which, through sponsorship, David B controlled of course), it was decided that once a certain number of attendees had been reached the door would be closed not allowing any further people to enter. Some people had a problem with this, notably Tony M, one of David B’s chief sponsees. At that time, Tony M was openly disagreeing with David B at the Wednesday night meeting. Other differences developed between the two. Eventually Tony M and his sponsees and some others, broke away from Vision and they formed their own group called "Happy Destiny" which met on Wednesday night in Pimlico.“ [long time defunct]

Ealing:

According to Dennis relationships are only for the production of children in marriage....so tough if you are too old, don’t want children, gay, or medically infertile.. David C "Icons "is the author of that one. He knows all about relationships - he's never had one in recovery.

This same person has been told by Dennis that the only reason for relationships is to procreate children within marriage. Any other kind of relationship is invalid and a distraction from "being spiritual". There you have it !! I told my friend that statement was about more about AVOIDANCE of relationships than real spiritual growth. Dennis got that nonsense from David C of course.

(our edits)

Comment: Thus the bigots flourish!

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Our usual thanks to our correspondents

Monday, 13 February 2012

A Minority report (continued)(4)


The advice given in David C’s Big Book Recovery website on professional counsellors, medication and step 5 are a direct contradiction with the Alcoholics Anonymous “Big Book” and the “Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions”:

Those of us belonging to a religious denomination which requires confession must, and of course will want to go to the properly appointed authority, whose duty it is to receive it… … If we cannot or would rather not do this, we search for our acquaintance with a closed – mouthed, understanding friend. Perhaps our doctor or psychologist will be the friend. It may be one of our own family, but we cannot disclose anything to our wives or parents which will hurt them or make them unhappy.” (Alcoholics Anonymous, “Big Book” page 74,)

This person may be one’s sponsor, but not necessarily so… … Perhaps, though, your relationship to him is such that you would care to reveal only a part of your story. If this is the situation, by all means do so… … It may turn out, however, that you’ll choose someone else for the more difficult and deeper revelations. This individual may be entirely outside of A.A. – for example, your clergyman or your doctor. For some of us, a complete stranger may prove the best bet.” (The Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, page 62)

An A.A. sponsor does not offer services such as those provided by counsellors, the legal, medical or social work communities, but may sometimes help the newcomer to access professional help if assistance outside the scope of A.A. is needed. (Questions and answers on sponsorship, page 14) http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-15_Q&AonSpon.pdf

A.A. Does not….solicit members….follow up or try to control its members…. Make medical or psychological diagnoses or prognoses… … provide … … any medical or psychiatric treatment; offer religious services; engage in education about alcohol… … or any other welfare or social services; provide domestic or vocational counselling…” (Members of the clergy ask about Alcoholics Anonymous page 18) http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-25_membersoftheclergyaskaboutaa.pdf

If we recognise religion is the province of the clergy and the practice of medicine is for doctors, then we can we can helpfully cooperate with both” (Concept 12, warranty five)

It is a sad day indeed, when victims of abuse in A.A. seek support elsewhere; when the safeguards and procedures already available are not being used; when professional alcoholism counsellors write to the A.A. Grapevine, asking A.A. to read its own literature.

It is a sad day when a District Committee Member (D.C.M.) in the USA, does not appear to be able to find important information from within the A.A. Service structure; but instead, the concerned A.A. member feels the need to source it from a non AA UK internet forum:

In this USA area, about 2 1/2 years ago in 2008, a Yellow cover book - "Back to Basics " by Wally P., began to be passed around; soon many were buying it and some malcontented [sic] people from a few AA groups began to gather to discuss the book. They were generally outspoken and not recieved [sic] well by AA groups and the strong opposition seemed to bond the malcontents to each other. They had a fixed idea of how the 12 steps should be done, an out of balance view of AA history and statistics. Like claiming that AA once had 75% success rate; and futher [sic] claimed AA lost that sucess [sic] rate when AA became organized!

The movement has grown more active and now "seeds" meetings and discussion rooms with individuals who push their views. Now, there seems to be an organized effort for 6 to 10 "Back to Basics" people to meet before a target meeting - they split up a few small groups - go to various tables or each Meeting Room and steer discussions into issues which give them a format to present half truths and thier [sic] "sprituality" [sic] claims.

Many of us "regular" AA people are concerned. It seems to me that your experiences are similar and may be repeated here in this USA area. I found your "Cultwatch" site on the Bing search engine. The information is valuable and appreciated by me and I have passed the web address on to a DCM friend”. (aacultwatch forum; subject entitled “Back to Basics movement”) http://forums.delphiforums.com/aacultwatch/messages/?start=Start+Reading+%3E%3E

There needs to be better communication within the fellowship.

This is a statement at the bottom of the page on Wally P’s Back to Basics website:

After receiving notification from the General Service Office about our mission statement, the Board of Directors of the Back to Basics Foundation met in a special session and voted to change the wording of the statement so it would be in compliance with the Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous.

The Board also voted to move all materials pertaining to other Twelve Step programs to separate web sites, so there would be no confusion about the primary purpose of the Back to Basics Foundation.

We ask for your patience in this matter because, at the present time, we have no means to accomplish this objective. We have no paid employees, and continue to operate with a negative cash flow. If it is God’s will, there will be sufficient individual donations to make the wishes of the Board of Directors a reality.

The Back to Basics Foundation is a 501 (C) 3, not-for-profit Corporation dedicated to saving the lives of alcoholics. Our modified mission statement is listed below” http://www.aabacktobasics.org/

Perhaps the A.A.W.S. Trustees ought to take note of Bill W’s leadership when passive negotiations fail with “Our promoter friend” turned “alarming poser” (A.A. Comes of Age page 130 -131), such as they have with Wally P; and when necessary, to call on support from the A.A. groups. If Wally P says his foundation “at the present time has no means to accomplish this objective,” then perhaps he needs some assistance. We are sure some two million A.A.s worldwide would be only too willing to help both another alcoholic and the Trustees as well.

Strong letters … … … letters of a kind the sponsor might not like to receive” as Bill W. put it, is a powerful dissuasive tool for any Traditions violator. And as Bill W. recognised, the “right of petition” is recognised in any democratic society. It cuts both ways.

We wonder why warranties five and six have not been carried out to their full. Why information about Back to Basics has not been disseminated throughout the world service structure down to the G.S.Rs and a request to intergroup Public Information committees to inform the general public of misuses of the A.A. name.

Privately, however we can inform Traditions violators that they are out of order. When they persist, we can follow up by using such other resources of persuasion as we may have, and these are often considerable…….. And to this end we shall need to maintain a continuous education of our public communication channels of all kinds concerning the nature and purpose of our Traditions……….. Whenever and however we can, we shall need to inform the general public also; especially upon misuses of the name Alcoholics Anonymous. This combination of counter forces can be very discouraging to violators or would be violators. Under these conditions they soon find their deviations to be unprofitable or unwise." (Concept 12, warranty five).

Finally, any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an A.A. group provided that, as a group, they have no other purpose or affiliation”. (Concept 12, warranty 6).””

Comment:

The AA Service Manual combined with the Twelve Concepts for World Service (2011-2012 edn). And see below for the relevant pages (Concept 12: Warranties 5 and 6 in full)



From the above it can clearly be seen that the Back to Basics movement is an entirely separately run organisation with its own financing, service structure, literature, meetings directory etc. As such it falls into the category of an “outside organisation” and under AA traditions an AA group which affiliate themselves with such are in breach of Tradition 3 (long form):

“—Our membership ought to include all who suffer from alcoholism. Hence we may refuse none who wish to recover. Nor ought A.A. membership ever depend upon money or conformity. Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an A.A. group, provided that, as a group, they have no other affiliation.”

(our emphasis)

In our view, and in accordance with the above tradition, (and with reference to the above mentioned warranties) where such a group is listed in any AA directory (local and/or national) it should withdraw its listing immediately or be removed. Moreover any GSRs associated with Back to Basics groups should exclude themselves (or be excluded) from service at AA intergroup level (and indeed at any level in the service structure). Steps should also be taken to inform all relevant outside agencies e.g via PI, HL etc that these groups are not affiliated with AA and should not be taken as such. In this way a clear demarcation will be established between the two entities. The same principles apply with regard to the Primary Purpose movement, and on similar grounds eg. separate meeting directories (although they still represent themselves as being part of AA). Nevertheless their continued – and deliberate - misrepresentation of AA recovery rates, their abusive sponsorship methods and moreover the existence of commercial interests operating within this grouping further disqualify them from any claim to be associated with AA. The Visions/Road to Recovery groups are for their part not so easily identifiable as a collective (although there is an unofficial network of these groups in existence with the usual emphasis on abusive sponsorship practices, anti-prescribed medication/counselling policies etc). In this case each group should be treated individually and where they fail to mend their ways (which is usually the case) should similarly be excluded from the service structure with all outside agencies being notified accordingly. It is only by applying such admittedly drastic methods that we can ensure that these groups (and their members) no longer inflict harm on newcomers and thereby bring AA into disrepute. Inaction on our part is no longer an option

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS See our UK and US “Cult Where to Finds” for a preliminary listing of these groups. However we believe that these represent just the tip of the iceberg!

Monday, 9 January 2012

Cult dependency – How it DOESN'T Work!


Hi ….....,

Thanks for your post mate, you have a good point. I will try to answer you as best I can.

There is a saying "The Truth will set you free". I certainly think this applies to cult involvement. The Truth is the one thing the Cult does not want to face. For example, in the Vision/Joys cult, the fact that the founder of the Cult movement in AA in this country, David B, didn’t have a sponsor, and repeatedly lied about this in his sharing right until his death. "I’m sober 22 years because I always do everything my sponsor says" he would to say to the newcomer. Well, yes, when you sponsor yourself I guess you do everything your sponsor says! lol. He used this confidence trick to lure and manipulate others into doing everything HE said. Thus the whole cult practice of sponsor-control is based upon a lie. Once you know this one fact alone, the entire Cult experience changes. At least it did for me. Self-evidently, a program founded upon a lie cannot be “spiritual”. What I encountered at Vision/Joys was psychological manipulation and bullying, not spirituality. That is a tough truth to face up to, partly because it affects my pride. "How can I have been so dumb as to fall for it" and “what a waste of my time, energy and good will”, were the questions that often went on in my mind at that time. However I learned through the study of Cults and their characteristics, and through the stories of others who had been involved in cults, that I was not alone.

Rather like alcohol or drug use, cult involvement satisfied a “need” or “emptiness” within me. It gave me a sense of euphoria (that is, “feeling good” via group approval, provided of course I followed the highly demanding cult script) and security (being part of a seemingly protective gang).

Human beings need to feel secure and feel good, especially if we are vulnerable, depressive, addicted, or have had poor or insecure upbringings. This is why a lot of disaffected young people join gangs, and is also, by the way, why a lot of younger people tend to be attracted to the cults/gangs within AA (you must have wondered why cult meetings tend to be dominated by young people and young men in particular?). However when these natural needs for security/belonging/self-worth etc become focused upon people, places and material things, then they are founded upon straw. The program of AA is a spiritual program, not a cult program. It suggests to us, simply, that what we should try to do is place an unreserved faith and trust in a Higher Power of our own understanding, not a human power, or thing. This is why reliance on groups and personalities is not spiritual at all, but psychological dependence, sometimes called co-dependency.

How can I really and inwardly be “happy joyous and free” – if my life is dependent upon the approval of a group, or a sponsor, or some other human agency? The kind of “happiness/freedom” - that a group gives me - is a fragile illusion, and is entirely fear driven. How can I be truly free if my every action has to be “permitted” by a sponsor, rather than my own conscience and faith in a Higher Power?

No, the only approval I need is from honestly consulting my own conscience. It also helps to have and develop a faith and trust in a loving Higher Power of my understanding, and a willingness to practice spiritual principles (honesty, truth, humility, patience, tolerance, love etc) in my life. These themes are repeated again and again in the Big Book and the other AA literature dealing with the steps and program of AA. AA gives me the true freedom of being able to choose my own Path in this regard. AA is not about co-dependency on a sponsor/personality/group/whatever, but reliance on a Higher Power which is, as the Big Book puts it, goodness and love. Don’t just take my word for it. Read the Book, it’s all there!

One of the sad things about cult involvement, in my experience, is that is obstructs my developing a real relationship with my own Higher Power. In cults, the Higher Power is always trumped by “sponsor” approval. Therefore, during my cult involvement, I became a slave of a man (sponsor), rather than a free child of the God my own understanding.

The Truth will set you free…..” This is why I am currently going through David C Icons website, exposing it piece by piece, because it is full of distortions and deviations from the AA program. Although David C Icons talks glibly about “trusting a sponsor before his Higher Power”, his pride just can’t come to terms with the fact that his guru - the sponsorless David B – was an arrogant liar who was NOT to be trusted. So the advice given in the website is hypocrisy. All the other distortions and twists follow on from that.

Thanks for your stimulating post …...”.

(extract from aacultwatch forum - with permission)

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Saturday, 7 January 2012

A Minority report to conference 2012 (a serialisation)


(The entire report is available here. Note: Downloads may take a few seconds to complete).

To Alcoholics Anonymous from Alcoholics Anonymous - A call for moral inventory and leadership in A.A.

This document comprises an analytical and critical survey of the Fellowship in 2011, discussing the complex dynamics surrounding current events occurring in the USA, UK and Canada and relating these to past events and to AA Traditions and Concepts.

The discussion begins with two examples of active leadership, one by Bill W. in the 1940s, the other by a committee in Santa Monica California USA, in 1958; it then moves on to include current events. The outcome exposes a hazardous departure from Tradition, serious and growing internal divisions and public concerns. It also exposes a widespread and hazardous misconception in the application of A.A. Traditions. And a situation where neither A.A. Tradition, nor General Warranties of Conference are withstanding in today’s fellowship. This causes us to feel duty bound to place this as a minority report before the UK General Service Conference 2012.”

Comment: Largely self-explanatory. However (and briefly) the central thesis of the report is that the service structure of AA (and the Fellowship at large) have failed repeatedly to actively uphold the guiding principles of the Fellowship, this inactivity resulting from a consistent misinterpretation of these same precepts. In our view (and as a direct consequence) there is developing within our midst a movement that is wholly antagonistic to both the letter and spirit of these principles but which represents itself as being a legitimate exponent of the AA programme of recovery. Their directive, manipulative, dogmatic and indeed punitive methods have resulted only in an increasingly fragmented Fellowship and inflicted moreover completely unnecessary suffering on those who are most vulnerable, and who have come to us for help: the newcomer. Their 'philosophy' of recovery runs directly counter to that of AA's, their methods founded on a “revisionist” history of the Fellowship coupled with a gross misrepresentation of the recovery programme. Moreover, and in order to sustain their agenda, they rely upon unsubstantiated claims concerning AA recovery rates to lend both support to their oppressive methods and credence to their arguments. These groups and their members seek to 'institutionalise' their abusive methods within AA, their main instrument being the transformed role of the sponsor. This role (in their hands) has effectively supplanted the central concepts of “God” or “Higher Power” employed within the Fellowship, the sponsor now taking the pre-eminent position. This approach is enshrined in their statement: “Do exactly what your sponsor tells you to do”. The dangers of this approach should be all-to-evident to anyone sufficiently acquainted with the basic text. (Note especially: Chapter Five: the “three pertinent ideas”; the section on Step Three; and finally Chapter Seven – here you will see a direct antithesis to the dogmatic methods espoused by the above). As a direct result of these distortions newcomers have been directed (or had pressure put upon them) to: discontinue prescribed medication regimes (amongst other therapeutic interventions. This had led in some instances to them taking their own lives); adopt particular religious beliefs; sever links with family and friends (entirely inappropriately); undergo financial and sexual exploitation and so on. As a result of these kinds of exploitative conduct we have labelled this movement a “cult” since they exhibit all the defining characteristics of such; the term we think is entirely apposite.

See also the following links for background to the above:



The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Friday, 5 August 2011

Medications and Recovery

(excerpt from the Dual Recovery Anonymous website)

DRA members often go to Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous meetings for additional support and fellowship. Often men and women who have been diagnosed with a dual disorder say that they have received misguided advice about their diagnosis and the use of medication at other Twelve Step meetings. Some have been told that they do not have an emotional or psychiatric illness, and that they are experiencing merely self-pity or some other character defect "You don't need those pills. They'll cause you more problems" and "If you're taking pills, then you're in relapse and not really sober". Individuals who have followed such advice have experienced relapse: some have been hospitalized; some have returned to alcohol or drug use; some have attempted or even completed suicide. To say the least, it can be very confusing. Though we can not speak for other organizations, their literature makes clear that these types of statements are not the official position of A.A., N.A., or any other Twelve Step recovery groups that we are aware of.

On page 133 of the Big Book of A.A. it says in part:

Now about health: A body badly burned by alcohol does not often recover overnight nor do twisted thinking and depression vanish in a twinkling. We are convinced that a spiritual mode of living is a most powerful health restorative. We, who have recovered from serious drinking, are miracles of mental health. But we have seen remarkable transformations in our bodies. Hardly one of our crowd now shows any dissipation.

But this does not mean that we disregard human health measures. God has abundantly supplied this world with fine doctors, psychologists, and practitioners of various kinds. Do not hesitated to take your health problems to such persons. Most of them give freely of themselves, that their fellows may enjoy sound minds and bodies. Try to remember that though God has wrought miracles among us, we should never belittle a good doctor or psychiatrist. Their services are often indispensable in treating a newcomer and in following his case afterward.

Reprinted from Alcoholics Anonymous, with permission of A.A. World Services, Inc.

There is also an important piece of A.A. conference approved literature called "The A.A. Member - Medications and Other Drugs" that addresses these issues specifically plus issues of cross addiction. Some D.R.A. members carry copies of this pamphlet with them to help educate others when this issue is brought up. Here are a few excerpts:

...A.A. members and many of their physicians have described situations in which depressed patients have been told by A.A.s to throw away the pills, only to have depression return with all its difficulties, sometimes resulting in suicide. We have heard, too, from schizophrenics, manic depressives, epileptics, and others requiring medication that well-meaning A.A. friends often discourage them from taking prescribed medication, Unfortunately, by following a layman's advice, the sufferers find that their conditions can return with all their previous intensity..."

"It becomes clear that just as it is wrong to enable or support any alcoholic to become readdicted to any drug, it's equally wrong to deprive any alcoholic of medication which can alleviate or control other disabling physical and/or emotional problems.

Reprinted from The A.A. Member - Medications & Other Drugs, with permission of A.A. World Services, Inc.


We also must keep in mind that few recovering alcoholics and addicts in these groups are mental health and treatment professionals. Almost all are certainly well-meaning. Many don't fully understand the difference between the usual depressions and anxieties most recovering folks go through in early sobriety and our psychiatric illnesses--nor should they be expected to. Some people may falsely think that antidepressants are "mood elevators" much like the street drugs they may be familiar with. These are understandable misconceptions, but can lead to poor advice even from some of the "old-timers".

It is clear that no one should play the role of doctor but a licensed physician or psychiatrist. Sponsors and other well-meaning Twelfth Steppers should not give medical advice. DRA members who seek sponsors in other 12 Step groups must weigh carefully the potential sponsor's attitude and understanding concerning medications and psychiatric illnesses. We can not expect them to fully understand, but an attitude of acceptance toward the the nature of our dual disorder and the place properly prescribed medications play in our dual recovery is key. Experience has shown us that honesty is the basis for successful sponsorships.”

(our emphases)

Comment: It is interesting to note here that an outside organisation seems better acquainted with our basic text and guidelines than some of the so-called “AA” groups operating in our midst ie. those collectives whose sole aim and purpose is to transmit dogma rather than recovery, partiality instead of rationality, and seem entirely content to sacrifice whomsoever in pursuit of their particularly obtuse and perverse agenda, all claiming moreover to carry the 'One, True Message' albeit under different guises viz. Primary Purpose, Back to Basics, Visions etc. DRA generously describes this conduct as being essentially “well meaning” or deriving from good intentions. We, however, would ascribe to it rather those essential “cult” qualities of stupidity and prejudice. Here we recall to you the words of Saint Bernard of Clairvaux: "L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs" (hell is full of good wishes and desires) or: “The road to hell is paved with good....”

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Wednesday, 29 June 2011

Big Book fetishism

Every now and then we get an email from a so-called “hard core” Big Book fan. It's usually someone from the Primary Purpose gang (which makes claim to being conversant with this tome) although there are rumours going around that one of the Visions mob (and we mean mob!) actually read almost a whole sentence from the book last year! But you know what it's like in AA – there are rumours and then there are …. more rumours! …...
 
….....It might be useful to indicate here that although we lump them all together there are some differences between these two extremist/fundamentalist camps (although the similarities are much greater and getting worse all the time!). The Primary Purpose 'axis' (derived from the US) is not quite as obsessive as the Visions (our very own home grown freaks!) when it comes to sponsorship (ie. “do exactly what your sponsor tells you” etc) but they do glory in 'fast-tracking' newcomers through the programme (regardless of their aptitude, state of mind, physical well-being and other quite minor details). Both lay claim to the authentic programme of AA (usually by indulging in a 'revisionist' analysis of AA back in the pre-tradition era) and glorying in the days when only “real” alcoholics were allowed into meetings (after they had been properly screened and authenticated by the appropriate authorities ….. self-appointed of course!) In those halcyon times you had none of your treatment centre riff-raff or troublesome “addicts”, or even those annoying “depressives” and such like cluttering up the fellowship. Even the agnostics and atheists did as they were told and got down on their knees and prayed like they believed! No sirree! Only pure blood, 'real deal' alkies were admitted into our select society! Ah good times indeed …. when men were men and women were women and sheep roamed the green pastures quite unafraid! But now – well it's anarchy! They'll let ANYBODY in! No vetting, no bleeding deacon to cast his/her expert eye over the new prospect. Nope! Anyone and his brother can just wander into a meeting (maybe there's nothing on TV), plonk their backsides on a seat, drink a cup of tea, nibble on a biscuit (well at one of those fancy meetings at least!) and waffle on about their precious washing machine breaking down – but then they didn't pick up a drink! Who'd have thought it? Our exclusive fellowship being taken over by these ne'er do wells! Well something should be done! This cannot be allowed to go on........someone should ring up …..... York! (frothing at the mouth and eyes bulging wildly.....)........

Wow! That was SOME digression... anyway.... to get back to our main theme. So every now and then we get an EXPERT mailing us and putting us straight on some points of OUR PROGRAMME. Seems we got it all wrong! Well of course we got it wrong. But then everyone has the RIGHT to be WRONG haven't they? Or maybe that only works if you're a cult group? So we goes and extricates our copy of the aforementioned work (it is of course mostly employed in its traditional capacity – as a door STOP), dusts it off and pulls open the musty and mildewed cover. Turning to the apposite sections we duly send our response back to the EXPERT. Oh dear oh dear! Now we're told we've got it all out of CONTEXT!! (even if we quote an entire page and then the relevant chapter). Nope it seems that we've still got it wrong... So we turns again to another section and quote that (and including context this time because now we've learnt our lesson good and proper!). Nope that still doesn't do the trick. It turns out that we're TWISTING the words to suit our own agenda!! Well who would have thought it?? How could that EVER happen? But now our EXPERT is getting very hot under the collar and resorts at last to profanity! We refer immediately to our very own - almost disintegrating - volume and look for the part of the AA message which includes the use of foul language. Nope! Can't find anything there. Maybe it's in the Just for Today card.. “Talk low”...mmmm! So we hold a conscience meeting to debate this vexing question: Is swearing QUIETLY OK then?? Well who can say!

Talking of profanity whatever happened to Wayne's latest address to the R2R (cult group) Plymouth brethren? Not a bleep out of him for almost NINE months and then an audio file appears out of the ether only to disappear almost immediately. Mind you we did give it a bit of a mauling! Still one shouldn't be afraid of unfavourable reviews? It's all part of the 'growing in sobriety' process – ain't it? Anyhoo … that's about it on the Big Book (and Wayne of course). For our part we quite like the text because if the cult (Primary Purpose/Back to Basics/Visions etc) ever managed to read (and inwardly digest!) a copy it would very rapidly put paid to their own brand of dogma. But then we think that's pretty unlikely … don't you?

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Oh yeah! What IS going on in WESSEX? And where is it anyway?

Friday, 21 January 2011

You need never “THINK” again!

Are you feeling a little lack lustre? Is life getting you down a bit? Perhaps you're not entirely satisfied, or even HAPPY, JOYOUS and FREE???

Well here's a clue for you: YOU'RE NOT ON THE PROGRAMME!! But never fear for we have a SOLUTION, a VISION FOR YOU – and an answer to every single problem! Yes you too can trudge the way of Happy Destiny, along the ROAD TO RECOVERY! You too can be rocketed into a fourth dimension - never to return again! So just get yourself along to one of OUR (and NOT ONE OF THEIR) meetings and you need never ever THINK again!

Here you will find our teams of happy, smiling, professional (untrained) life coaches who will take care of your EVERY worry. Problems with relationships, money, sex, children .....? You name it we've got it covered! Don't waste your time listening to the amateurs (health professionals, psychiatrists, teachers etc). Get along to your local “PRIMARY PURPOSE” meeting and you will find the whole solution wrapped up in a single person – Get a VISIONS SPONSOR! Get your life sorted! Get it NOW!

Don't delay – delay is DANGEROUS! Take advantage of this “once-in-a-lifetime” opportunity! Don't think – just do! You know it makes sense!

Come along to your friendly local branch (recently opened):

SOUTHEND-ON-SEA: RECOVERY, TUESDAY Meeting
19.30
All mtgs 'open'.
Tuesday
The Store House, Coleman St Community Centre, Coleman St

or another franchise just near you! For a list of our other outlets see here.

[Disclaimer: Our groups are not affiliated in any way with Alcoholics Anonymous (apart from using the AA name,the AA logo, being listed on the AA Where to Find etc), nor do we accept liability or responsibility in any form or to any degree for any consequences which might follow in any respect from any advice that we may or may not have given that you may or may not have taken, and that in assenting to the above you waive all legal remedies, and exculpate us completely and for all time from any consequences which may or may not be attributable to us – WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE!]

Cheerio

Have fun

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)