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Thursday, 16 March 2017

Cult meeting notice



More details (not mentioned on the AA website): the group is part of the Road to Recovery franchise ... Sharing MUST centre on sponsorship .. remember in the cult the Higher Power IS your sponsor ..oh! ... nearly forgot! No FUCKING swearing permitted!

What a load of bollocks!

The Fellas (Frigging Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS For other cults in AA check out Primary Purpose and Back to Basics (the latter a nice little earner!)

Sunday, 3 January 2016

Hope for the Primary Purpose/Back to Basics Movement at Last



by Emily Jensen, Associate Professor of English, Instructional Development Consultant Hartford Community College and Neil Davidson, Professor of Curriculum and Instruction University of Maryland. (College Teaching, 45(3), 102-103, Heldref Publications)

Comment: An excellent and informative article on what works and what doesn't. Our thanks to the AA member who drew this to our attention - Beware of meetings with a podium and neat rows of chairs!

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Sunday, 30 August 2015

An Enquiry into Primary Purpose and Back to Basics AA Groups


A useful analysis on how corrupt practice has been introduced into AA via these two 'vectors'

See here

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Tuesday, 10 February 2015

Cults and A.A. Conventions


An A.A. member’s escape from the clutches of a cult… 


The Recovery Alliance Inc. (RAI), bills itself as a self-help organization dedicated to the advancement of recovery for what the group refers to as “obsessive-compulsive” persons, such as alcoholics, compulsive eaters, and compulsive gamblers. RAI practices the 12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), but claims to do it in a way that is more “pure” than AA and other “Anonymous” fellowships. RAI believes that the 12-step programs have been watered down over the years and no longer practice the true program of recovery as it was intended by its founders.

RAI is structured as a non-profit organization, with a board of directors and an organizational charter. Although the board elects a chairman, all the members’ activities, beliefs, and direction evolve from the founding member, Donald Gilroy. Gilroy teaches that the “illness” that members are recovering from is centered in selfishness and self-centeredness. To recover, members must commit their lives to selfless self-sacrifice. They are subjected to, among other things, rigorous and tiresome fund-raising, schedules, public humiliation, rigidly controlled diets, and other abusive conduct.

I wrote the following letter to RAI members two years after leaving the group.

March 7, 1992

Hi!

This week has marked two years since I left the Recovery Alliance, Inc. (RAI). I am writing this letter just to let you know what it’s like on this side. I have so much to say that I could go on for pages, but I will try to keep this as brief as possible.

I have seen you guys several times – fund-raising, of course. I saw you selling T-shirts in Seattle and raffle tickets at the Durham Fair. I have seen you at car shows, department stores, and at the fireworks. My first reaction when I see you is repulsion, but it is quickly followed by sorrow. I know what it is like for you, since you are all victims (yes victims do exist), just as I was.

It is interesting what I am able to see now that I couldn’t see then. For as long as I was there I knew that I was unhappy, but I was told that the problem was with my recovery, not my environment.

I remember making the decision to leave. It was like all of a sudden being struck with a bolt of sanity. I’m sure you all think it was because I had a boyfriend. Well, I made my decision a couple of months before I met him. After having been placed on probation, I remember standing in my room and thinking, “I can’t do this anymore. I want to leave.” It was not the first time I had ever had that thought, but this time it was different. This time it was followed by another thought, which was “I don’t care what the consequences will be.” As you observed, I made no attempt to meet the terms of my probation.

When I first left, I was quite confused. Fortunately, I quickly got help from some professionals who have experience with working with former members of RAI and other similarly destructive groups. They helped me see the insanity of the situation. The loss of freethinking. The emotional, sexual, and spiritual abuse we were all suffering. The psychopathology of Donald. I was helped by some books – Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steve Hassan and People of the Lie by Scot Peck.

Well, the consequences of my leaving were nothing like I expected. What am I like today? I’m basically a happy person. I have a good job in my field with a Fortune 500 company. I have a nice apartment (yes, with off-street parking) and a decent car. I have a handful of close friends and many acquaintances. Most of my friends are in 12-step programs, but some aren’t. I have good relationships with my family.

Most of all I have freedom. I probably average three AA meetings a week – sometimes more, sometimes less. If I’m tired or just don’t feel like going to a meeting, I stay home. Or I go somewhere else. I keep busy, but make time for myself too. I clean my apartment every week. I just finished reading a 1,000 page novel. On weekends I frequently get together with friends and go dancing, hiking, or on day trips. I have dated several guys in the last two years, and have had a couple of steady relationship, too.

How’s my relationship with God? Fine. I worship the god of my own understanding.

I am not overweight, nor am I underweight. I eat two or three meals a day, and sometimes, if I feel like it, I have a snack in between.

I am able to express whatever is on my mind, and I don’t have to follow any formula. I attend fairs and festivals as a participant, not as a vendor. I attend AA conventions as an AA member, not as a vendor – and not as a person with superior knowledge.

Not a Friday has gone by when I haven’t come home from a long work week and said to myself, “Thank God I don’t have to go to that awful meeting.”

I feel sorry for other former members who haven’t received the help they need. Many of them end up with tremendous guilt as a result of RAI’s teachings. Some have joined other destructive groups. One has died. Fortunately, however, most of us have been helped by the proper professionals and have been able to live happy lives.

I wish you all the best, and hope that you will soon realize the amount of control and deception taking place in your surroundings.

Sincerely,

Holly”

(Extract from “Captive Hearts, Captive Minds –Freedom and Recovery from Cults and Abusive Relationships” (Hunter House, 1994) pp. 8-10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_Hearts,_Captive_Minds 

Comment: A book by one of the world's leading cult experts, J. Lalich, Professor of Sociology at California State University. Forward by M. Langone, Executive Director of the International Cul;tic Studies Association (ICSA)  http://www.icsahome.com/home  So, read all about it, cults have been targeting A.A. for some time.  Like the Primary Purpose cult, Back to Basics mob, Clancy I and the Pacific Group, RAI replays the same record, albeit stuck in a groove… “RAI practices the 12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), but claims to do it in a way that is more “pure” than AA and other “Anonymous” fellowships. RAI believes that the 12-step programs have been watered down over the years and no longer practice the true program of recovery as it was intended by its founders...” … Blah, blah, blah…

Watch out for those T-shirt vendors and lecturers at A.A. conventions - they may be victims in need of specialist counselling!

Cheerio, 

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Wednesday, 15 October 2014

The business behind the Primary Purpose Big Book Study Cult


Extracts from the aacultwatch forum (old)

Joe McQ (Deceased) (Joe McQ of the “Joe and Charlie” Big Book Study Tapes)
Author of: “Carry this Message- a Guide to Big Book Sponsorship” (published 2002), “The Steps We Took” (published 1990)
Author of “Recovery Dynamics” Alcohol and Drug addiction treatment model: Kelly Foundation, Inc. 2801 West Roosevelt, Little Rock, AR 72204 http://www.kellyfdn.com/order.htm (Incorporated 1978)
Wolfe Street Foundation, Inc. 1015 Louisiana - Little Rock, AR 72202 http://www.wolfestreet.org/  http://www.kellyfdn.com/index.htm
Serenity Park Inc. 2801 West Roosevelt, Little Rock, AR 72204 http://www.serenitypark.org/      http://www.kellyfdn.com/index.htm
Dr. Bob’s Home   http://www.serenitypark.org/
List of Recovery Dynamics Treatment Centers http://www.kellyfdn.com/certifiedfacilities.htm "Kelly Foundation has assisted over 500 facilities across the United States and in 8 foreign countries since 1978." http://www.kellyfdn.com/about.htm
Recovery Dynamics in UK: Serenity House of the United Kingdom, 43 St. Nicholas Street, Bristol, United Kingdom http://www.serenityhouse.org.uk/index.asp  (Treatment Center: Alma, 29 Alma Road, Clifton, Bristol, BS8 2ES)

An observation of Recovery Dynamics in AA:

I have my doubts that “the Fellas” will be taken seriously, but I congratulate them on trying! We have a lot of Joe and Charlie worship in my area, we have a couple of treatment centers that use their “Recovery Dynamics” program. It is very strange to hear some young guy from a hard upbringing, no more than 25 years old, spouting 1930′s sentax like a programmed machine, except with the fire of an evangelical preacher. That’s what Recovery Dynamics will give you though. That and the people in the treatment centers being forced to endure painful dental surgeries and other medical proceedures with no pain medication allowed afterward. Brain washing and torture.

The best slogan spouting examples of the most recent graduates of these RD treatment centers are kept on as “assistant staff”. In other words, they get to make the newer clients obsessively analyze the alcoholic motives of their recurring belly-button lint and the center pays them next to nothing for their trouble since they are eternally grateful for the love of the center.” (Border Collie Mix) October 28, 2011 at 10:39 AM  (Leaving A.A.com, “News Stories”) http://leavingaa.com/


The Primary Purpose Group of AA (Dallas) http://www.ppgaadallas.org/
Founder Cliff B. (Source: Was This Group meant to be? by Cliff B.) http://www.kellyfdn.com/BigBookStudy/bbstudygroups.htm
The Primary Purpose Group of AA Big Book Study Guide by Cliff B and Myers R. (Source: Was This Group meant to be? by Cliff B.) http://www.kellyfdn.com/BigBookStudy/bbstudygroups.htm
Primary Purpose Big Book Study Groups: http://www.ppgaadallas.org/it_works!.htm
Chris Raymer
Origins recovery centres: Staff: Chris Raymer
Chris Raymer President at Mark Houston Recovery Center http://www.markhoustonrecovery.com/ (Source: linkedin, Chris Raymer) (Mark Houston Recovery is now Benchmark recovery Center) http://www.benchmarkcenter.com/
Chris Raymer, Director of Alumini services at La Hacienda treatment center (Source Linkedin, Chris Raymer) La Hacienda Treatment Center: http://www.lahacienda.com/
Myers Raymer
Myers Raymer; Cliff B, Lost & Found Bookbindary, 327 Ingram Loop, Ingram, Texas 78025 http://www.bigbookfixer.com/
Myers Raymer, Raymer Bookbindery Inc. 885 Northfork Circle, Lewisville, TX 75057 http://raymerbook.com/ 
Cliff Bishop
For more info search: “Cliff Bishop AA speaker” “Myers Raymer AA Speaker” “Chris Raymer AA Speaker”

Words of Bill W (A.A. Co-Founder):
 
As we ponder protection, we see that our Traditions warn against the perils of public fame and power, against the making of compromising alliances, against professionalism.” (Bill W. The Language of the Heart p 316)

That we must, at all costs, avoid the professionalization of AA; that simple Twelfth Step work is never to be paid for; that AAs going into alcohol therapy should never trade on their AA connection; that there is not, and never can be, any such thing as an ‘AA therapist’. (Bill W. The Language of the Heart page 29)

The danger, of course, is the possibility that we may one day recklessly abandon the principle of personal anonymity at the top public level. This possibility arises from the fact that many of us AAs have been, and sometimes still are, possessed by enormous power drives. These are frequently fueled by an almost irresistible craving for money, approval, and public acclaim.” (Bill W. The Language of the Heart p 319)”

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

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Saturday, 23 August 2014

An Enquiry into Primary Purpose and Back to Basic AA Groups


See here

Extract:

Primary Purpose internet links and other links to Back to Basics

A network of loosely linked Primary Purpose websites, hosted by individuals and groups now exists on the internet. This provides the international communication of Primary Purpose related articles, discussions, the sale of Primary Purpose/ Back to Basics related literature, website donations and links to other organisations. The Internet communication also facilitates the formation of affiliated AA groups; and the arrangement of seminars and conventions with international speakers, which can be arranged independently of local AA intergroups(5). The website network has become a separate “virtual” group conscience to that of AA.

Due to the subtle website links, some individuals and groups may be unaware that they have become part of the alternate group conscience and the implications this has regarding AA Traditions.”

Comment: An extremely useful and well-researched article (although we wouldn't refer to them as AA groups since they are by their nature outside organisations with their own Where to Finds, literature, financing together with their own outside affiliations etc). Unfortunately many of the links which appear in the research are no longer 'live' (a frequent occurrence on the internet). However their new locations may be found with a bit of judicious research

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Saturday, 31 May 2014

Only ANGRY people 'CROSS-share'!


Extracts from the aacultwatch forum (old): 

Hi ….....,

Thanks for that. I have never encountered any Primary Purpose goons. I guess I just dont get to enough meetings! Hmmmm, well, at least not in the Essex area anyway. 

So you were in your first year, made a mistake in a quotation and some smart ass from out of town thought he would humiliate you in front of 60 people, and more or less hold you personally responsible for the alleged decline of AA. And this joker reckoned he was sober and had been restored to sanity ??  lol.  It is good that in spite of him, you persevered and stayed in AA, and that you were able to put it to the back of your mind. 

I can remember being cross-shared in my first year by someone. I can't remember now what exactly I said to merit the honour (probably some nonsense) but, as  I was sharing an American guy shouted at me and said "Keep it simple stupid" . That stopped me in my tracks and I just wilted inside completely. I felt humiliated, and furious at the violation of my "sharing space"  in the meeting. However I now consider I got off lightly. A few years ago a sponsee/friend of mine visited Alaska, USA. He attended a meeting in a remote town on the Northern Slope and what he experienced there chilled me as he was telling me about it. He was asked to speak at the podium during a large late Saturday night meeting. While he was sharing he was both applauded, cheered, ignored, cat-whistled, booed, laughed at, insulted and heckled. He said the meeting was like an AA version of the Jerry Springer show. The experience really shocked him at first. Luckily he was sober a good while and generally good humoured too, and he was able to see the funny side of it all. But I do feel sorry for any newcomers in THAT part of the world. I guess you need to have really thick skin to survive there, as well as a bear skin to keep warm! 

I, of course, have been guilty of cross-sharing others myself.  This happened  mainly when I was part of the Vision cult. After I left the wretched cult, I have fortunately been able to make amends to (some) of my victims. Cross-sharing was a particularly nasty way of abusing and humiliating others who dissented from Vision cult dogma. I witnessed much cross-sharing of "outsiders" or "heretics" who worked the program in a slightly different way to the Vision. The sponsorless  David B, founder of Vision/Joys cult (now deceased),  would openly cross-share people AS THEY WERE ACTUALLY SHARING, interrupting them to put them down. I remember him doing a chair in Sunday Joys of Recovery Step meeting (then held at Lilly Road nr Earls Court), and after he finished he said that if anyone didn't share the message correctly (as he saw it) he would stop them! Sober behaviour?? I think not.

Another thing I experienced at Vision was if anyone in the group openly started to question the ludicrous cult dogmas of the sponsorless David B or his chief henchman David C Icons, the response would be a torrent of cross-sharing from the sponsorless David B, David C Icons and their little gang of mindless robots (sponsees). This cross-sharing was often planned and orchestrated.  For example I recall someone who was somewhat "out of favour" sharing that he did voluntary work outside of AA. David C Icons then came in immediately after saying that  voluntary work outside AA is "not allowed" if you're "working the program correctly" - his sponsor (David B) had told him, so it must be true. (Yes, David C Icons really is as childish as that.)

Well,  evidently David B had not read the AA literature  which clearly states that voluntary work outside AA is suggested, even recommended, in the AA book Living Sober.  But the twisted message of David B always trumped AA's message as far as David C Icons was concerned. Sure enough, the following week David C Icon's sponsees all shared about how not doing voluntary work outside of AA was "against the program". David C Icons had clearly lobbied them into a virtual lynch mob. Thus, the out of favour "heretic" was further humiliated and isolated. Needless to say the guy left the group.  Then, to add insult to injury, David C Icons gleefully seized on the fact that the poor chap had stopped attending the group to further justify his (false) dogma that doing voluntary work outside of AA was "off the program" and instil in others a (false)  fear that doing so could lead to drinking. He even laughed about it. "He has gone. Rejoice!" he told one of his followers. So a picture developed in my mind of a good fellow AA member, trying his best to work the AA program and help others, yet being hurt, isolated, humiliated and rejected by Vision, while David C Icons was laughing away merrily in self-righteous satisfaction. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. Certainly not the "will" of my Higher Power, or any other Higher Power that represents goodness, justice and love.”

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

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Tuesday, 6 May 2014

Back to Basics/Primary Purpose


Extracts from the aacultwatch forum (old):

In this USA area, about 2 1/2 years ago in 2008, a Yellow cover book - "Back to Basics " by Wally P.,   began to be passed around; soon many were buying it and some malcontented people from a few AA groups  began to gather to discuss the book.  They were generally outspoken and not received well by AA groups and the strong opposition seemed to bond the malcontents to each other.  They had a fixed idea of how the 12 steps should be done, an out of balance view of AA history and statistics.  Like claiming that AA once had 75% success rate; and futher claimed AA lost that sucess rate when AA became organized! 
The movement has grown more active and now "seeds"  meetings and discussion rooms with individuals who push their views.  Now, there seems to be an organized effort for 6 to 10 "Back to Basics" people to meet before a target meeting - they split up a few small groups - go to various tables or each Meeting Room and steer discussions into issues which give them a format to present half truths and their "sprituality" claims. 
Many of us "regular" AA people are concerned.  It seems to me that your experiences are similar and may be repeated here in this USA area.  I found your "Cultwatch" site on the Bing search engine.  The information is valuable and appreciated by me and I have passed the web address on to a DCM friend.” 
Hi …....., you have given an a description of a couple of groups which started in my area in the UK a couple of years ago, though they are linked to Primary Purpose, they make similar distorted claims on statistics, preach "the first one hundred" this, the "Big Book authors" that; and make a big point that they are " recoverED." They also targeted other meetings in a similar way, which did not go down well especially when these groups also received the fallout of confused newcomers and complaints. There are 3 aabacktobasics groups in the UK, 2 in Scotland and one on the South Coast.
Leaving aside for a moment that aabacktobasics is a parasitic organisation riding on the back of AA, sucking finance and service time away from the AA World Service structure, the website and stuff on You-tube looks relatively harmless on the surface until you look closely at what's underneath. The content in the yellow books is disturbing. There is a clever manipulation of AA history and statistics, using selected bits of archive material, which meticulously removes all of the balanced viewpoints found in the official AA history. This leaves the reader with the impression the AA groups in the 1940s were following the Oxford Group absolutes. No mention that the earliest AA groups rejected these absolutes and split from the Oxford Group between 1937 and 1940. They say the most convincing lies are the ones laced with truth. I'm sure it will fool a lot of people who have little knowledge of official AA history.

The terminology in the yellow books is the opposite of AA and one of control, obligation and expectation on the newcomer. Before he has a chance to properly de-fog from alcohol and decide for himself whether he is an alcoholic, the newcomer is expected to start doing the steps, including a moral inventory of himself with his assigned sponsor. (No mention of the choice of being able to do this with someone outside AA, such as a clergyman or psychologist, as suggested in chapter 6 of the Big Book.) Then he is expected to sponsor another newcomer through the process after 4 weeks.

The defined guidance from "two-way prayer" is also disconcerting and of a type warned against in step 11. Thoughts (from God?) are written down, shared with others, rationalised and to be obeyed. It looks like a cult to me, complete with a figurehead as leader, Wally P; no doubt the executive director of the "not for profit" foundation and publishing company enjoys a very good salary.

Here is some online information which you might find helpful. It might be good idea to remind your intergroup public information committee of this line in Concept 12, warranty five: "Whenever and however we can, we shall need to inform the general public also; especially upon misuses of the name Alcoholics Anonymous."

Independent competitive fundraising to AA, Back to Basics foundation:
Independent competitive literature and merchandise to AA;


The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

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Wednesday, 23 April 2014

Primary Purpose/Back to Basics


See here

Extract:

A loosely connected international network of websites has created a “virtual” Primary Purpose intergroup, facilitating the global communication of an ideology and a cause which comes from literature and website sources outside of AA. This website network has enabled the formation of affiliated AA groups in at least eleven countries, by like minded AA members who share this ideology and cause. This cause appears to be the introduction of Oxford Group principles and methods, which were criticised by Bill W. as not being inclusive to all alcoholics; and to teach an interpretation of the AA programme, sourced from outside of the group conscience of AA.”

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Tuesday, 22 April 2014

Some reflections on the Primary Purpose movement


The similarities between the more cult-like versions of AA and the more extreme versions of evangelical Christianity in the US today are clear. They have the same attitudes toward the sacred book, literalists, proof-texting, and refusing to look outside the book. They both aim for a rigid perfectionism which is destructive psychologically but can be maintained for a long period. And their means of recruitment are similar, including seminars, the use of mass media, etc.

See this somewhat old but useful treatment of extreme evangelicalism. The "softer" versions described here, briefly, are more similar to "traditional" AA, namely the willingness to accept less than perfection, the believe that we will continue to have problems in life, the willingness to use outside therapy as an aid.


And:

Today's post (April 5) on Primary Purpose brings to mind some thoughts on how the more cult-like versions of AA manage to shoehorn in pretty much everything into "directive", or "strong" or "Book Book" sponsorship.

It comes in a variety of ways. One is the statement which one hears from them over here in NYC that "I have only one problem today and that is alcoholism." So everything is alcoholism. If you are bipolar, or depressed, or have marital problems, etc. etc., that's all "alcoholism" really and you should just follow your sponsor's advice and read the Big Book and that should take care of it. If it doesn't, then you must be doing something wrong, not praying enough, not doing enough service, not taking correct 10th steps. In extreme forms this gets to advising the sponsee to give up physician-prescribed medications for bipolar disease, or in a weaker version, not pointing out that some outside therapy might just help with those childhood sexual abuse issues and the emotional problems which arise from them.

A more insidious tack, since it is less easily recognized, is using steps 4 thru 7 to get at the "exact nature of our wrongs" and remove our "character defects". Here the sponsor tries to "go deeper", to become an expert on a type of folk-psychology, which uses the suggestions about anger, resentment, the seven deadly sins (in the 12 and 12) to get at the "exact nature" of the sponsees problems. So anger issues arising out of childhood sexual abuse is brought up in the 5th step? Well, we need our sponsor's advice on how to handle that? What's your part? Holding on to it? Well, let go of that anger then, pray about it, etc. The sponsor becomes an "expert" as opposed to just someone listening to a step. (Even though the BB says we can do a 5th step with perfect strangers if they more or less know what we are doing, or with physicians, or with religious ministers. No experts there on the 5th step. But that was the early days, the cult-like members may respond, we've gotten better now.) People suffer needlessly because they are not directed to real experts who might help them. This relates to the primary purpose in two ways. One, the cult sponsor can argue that his dealing with all these psychological issues on the sponsee are part of the primary purpose, they are part of alcoholism and they are part of steps 4 thru 6. So everything is now the primary purpose! Secondly, they argue, it would be a violation of AA principles to point out that outside help may be necessary for some of these issues (including perhaps other programs for an over-eater, etc.) because they cannot advocate for outside entities, that that is a violation of the primary purpose, which is to talk about the recovery from alcoholism alone. (Which alcoholism has grown to include everything wrong with a person and which can be cured by prayer, 10th steps, service and carrying the message, i.e. "getting outside yourself" or deflating the ego.)

Now I am all for spirituality as a help in this, and moral inventories are good, and pride, ego, anger, resentments are problems. Prayer is important to me, and I try to use all that, and service to stay on the AA beam. (As long as service does not rise to taking up my whole life, but is balanced by outside activities and involvement in non-AA institutions or groups.) But I also think there are problems other than alcoholism faced by AA members and we do them a disservice by claiming to be able to cure them of everything. Expansion of the notions of "defects of character" and "exact nature of our wrongs" is a way of really making parts of AA a cult by closing people off from any outside influence.

Again, it is like those evangelical Christians, they hold only the Bible is useful for all problems, and do not seek professional help with necessary.”

Further:

I think my observations on the NYC AA scene might be useful to you. As they say "Coming soon to a screen near you" if not already there on the other side of the pond. I am convinced, and I think you guys alluded to this, that only the intervention of an outside power (and not HP) will change AA and by that I mean the government via a few lawsuits where individuals or the fellowship are sued for some sort of misuse and mistreatment.

I was told yesterday, I am not sure if this is true, that court-mandated attendance at AA (which was pretty common in the US) for DUI's and other problems has been declared unconstitutional by a higher court in New York State because it violates individuals' freedom of religion, that is, that it mandated attendance at a religious event, regardless of AA's distinction between religion and spirtuality. As far as that court was concerned mentioning God was enough to make it fall under actions prohibited by the First Amendment.”

Part of our response:

Hi …...

Some good points. As you say the term "alcoholism" can be expanded almost indefinitely to include virtually anything you want. With that expansion comes a concomitant extension in the area of expertise possessed by those who pronounce themselves (usually) experts on recovery. The intrusive nature of sponsorship exemplified by cult members means they move beyond merely 'sharing their experience, strength and hope' towards 'treating' other peoples' 'alcoholism' however they might define it. Therefore they can play the role of counsellor, psychiatrist, spiritual adviser, health care professional, marriage guidance counsellor, mentor and general know-it-all to their heart's content! And all without the bother of having to study the subject in depth, or even operate within professional boundaries! Or to put it the AA way: they can't quite 'quit playing God'.....”

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Our thanks to this contributor

Monday, 10 February 2014

Winchmore Hill Primary Purpose Book Study Tuesday


Winchmore Hill Primary Purpose Book Study Tuesday
Methodist Church, Green Lanes, Winchmore Hill
Time: 20.00
Postcode: N13 4EP

Concerns have been raised about the above meeting. We already have two meetings at this location listed in our Cult Where to Find (GB):


LONDON (including Greater London)
N21
Winchmore Hill: There is a Solution
Monday 20.00 Winchmore Hill Methodist Church, Green Lanes
[Contact: comes under Methodist Church]
Winchmore Hill: Primary Purpose Beginners
Friday 20.00 Winchmore Hill Methodist Church, Green Lanes

Our correspondent observes that “the amount of control being exercised …. was frightening” and that “this was the worst example of AA I have ever seen with many breaches of traditions”. Unfortunately we have no more detail that this. What we can say, however, is that such meetings are generally affiliated with the Primary Purpose movement (an outside organisation) which is itself based on Joe and Charlie's version of the Big Book, an almost frighteningly selective analysis which conveys more about their particular biases than the information contained within AA's “basic text”. But if you want to approach the AA programme 'cafeteria style' their approach will suit you admirably. On the other hand we suggest (and we do mean 'suggest') that if you wish to get a thorough grasp of AA's proposed method of recovery you read the book for yourself and draw your own conclusions, and then apply them as you see fit. By all means avail yourself of the abundant experience shared within the fellowship (particularly by those who seem to be actually applying these principles rather than merely making speeches about them ie. the assorted 'circuit speakers', Big Book 'experts', 'gurus', 'thumpers' and the like). But otherwise the final decision (and responsibility) for your well-being lies with you and not with them. Remember! It's your recovery that counts … not theirs!

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS If any member has more information about the above meeting (or any others which seem suspect) please feel free to send us the details (in the strictest confidence)

Thursday, 12 September 2013

Bristol Reunion?


We quote: 

AA Reunion in Bristol, October: For reasons we do not understand or accept, our local service structure, for the first time in years, is not supporting the Reunion notice in 'Share' magazine this year. As in every year, a big commitment has been made to a beautiful venue in the centre of Bristol in order to have the annual reunion of those who attended the First European Convention held in Bristol in 1971. Since then the annual Reunion has continued to hold the traditional big speaker meetings (as in the 1980s) plus those and Joe and Charlie Big Book Studies in the 90s, and more recently several visits from this year's principal speaker, affectionately known as 'the Honorable [sic] Member for Los Angeles', and whose sobriety date is 31.10.1958! The notice in 'Share' was always helpful in informing the Fellowship about the dates for the Reunion. Our plea to readers is please, please tell all your friends about the Reunion. In this way you will be helping us not only meet our obligations but also helping us welcome the Honorable Gentleman from the Pacific group, LA - 'a man with love in his eyes for his fellow alcoholic' -and you can be sure there will be a cake for a 55-year-old! A big thank you from the Convenors. 

(From 'Bristol Fashion', the newsletter produced by members of the Bristol Newcomers group).” 

Comment: Having just about 'recovered' from exposure to the quite nauseating sycophancy exhibited above we would like to draw your attention to a few pertinent points: 

Joe and Charlie's so-called Big Book study (see Primary Purpose) omits almost completely one key, some might say almost pivotal section ie. Chapter Seven “Working With Others” (Step 12). Apparently the fellowship's low key, non-dogmatic approach simply didn't accord with our Big Book 'experts' opinions. The solution – leave it out! 

The “Honourable Member for Los Angeles” when asked to comment on the allegations of widespread abuse (including rape) perpetrated by the Midtown Group replied thus: 

"there probably have been some excesses, but they have helped more sober alcoholics in Washington than any other group by far" 

For our part we've never heard rape referred to as “some excesses”. As for the assertion that the group “helped more sober alcoholics.....” - where's your evidence? This apologist for the Midtown Group used to sponsor Mike Q(uinones) (now deceased), the ring leader and key participant in some of these “excesses”. The local AA service structure for their part failed to take any action to deal with the problem falling back on that time honoured, well-worn misquote of Tradition Four (“each group is autonomous”) thereby managing to wash their hands of the entire affair. So much for the concepts of collective and individual “responsibility”! (Incidentally Clancy also sponsors Wayne PPlymouth Road to Recovery cult group – who similarly suffers from 'falling down trouser' syndrome – what a coincidence!} 

It may be that the Bristol local service structure (and Share magazine) have woken up to the fact that they have been supporting a group whose main 'business' (and we mean 'business') has been to promote personalities ahead of principles for some years now. Joe and Charlie's highly questionable study course is patchy to say the least and merely represents the views of a couple of alcoholics no more or less worthy of consideration than those of any other member of the fellowship (although we would say less!). Another example of this propagandist and essentially personality-driven approach is their reference to the “Honourable Gentleman from the Pacific group”. {This assertion might itself be challenged twice: anybody who implies that rape is a mere “excess” is neither honourable nor a gentleman). Surely the purpose of an AA convention (if in fact that is what the Bristol Reunion represents) is not to celebrate one individual's birthday (no matter how long he has refrained from committing suicide using alcohol) but to carry the AA message, a message we fear the “Honourable Member” lost touch with long ago! 

Cheerio 

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous) 

PS Our thanks to the member who drew this article to our attention

Friday, 9 August 2013

Westgate-on-Sea Sunday Big Book Study



Well the East Kent thugs are back in business! We are referring of course to Harry A (aka Harry the Handbag aka Robin the Boy Wonder) and Harry K (aka Batman) who operate out of the above meeting. (We'll be adding this to our Cult Where to Find shortly). They run the operation like their own private fiefdom and God help anybody who dares to forget this. A newcomer who unfortunately was unaware of the 'rules' for sharing was promptly reprimanded by these two 'gentlemen' for failing to comply after which all hell broke loose. Arguments flew from side to side with one member demanding a group conscience to address the issue. Both Harrys, being control freaks, did not like this idea at all and attempted to silence the opposition. Fortunately for our two thugs the majority of the group had been well trained and knew better than to rock the boat. However more than one member pointed out to our deadly duo something of the error of their ways to which Harry K (Batman) attempted to raise that defence employed by bullies the world over - that no one understood him (in his case because of the way he spoke - he's an American). He was quickly disabused of this notion by one of the dissenters. It was not his accent, he was informed, but what he said which constituted the offence.

We expect to see this meeting appear shortly in the Primary Purpose directory (an outside organisation and one already excluded by AA (Ireland). As you may recall both Batman and Robin's telephone numbers have been used in this directory as contact details for other groups run by the Primary Purpose 'franchise' including Herne Bay (Wednesday). Previously, when quizzed about this association at East Kent Intergroup, Harry A (the Handbag) initially denied all knowledge and then claimed that someone had 'stolen' his number and added it to the Primary Purpose directory without his permission! Yeah.... we believe you.... of course we do …. 

More to come on this …. we're sure …. 

Cheerio 

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Thursday, 18 July 2013

Herne Bay Big Book Salvation (Wednesday)


Yes! They really call themselves that! This meeting (still listed in the AA Where to Find despite being affiliated with the Primary Purpose movement – an outside organisation) is, however, on the way out! Since the departure of the local 'guru' Harry K, who has gone on to pastures new (ie. Cocaine Anonymous) - his exit much encouraged by the locals who had had quite enough of his brand of 'recovery' - the group has kind of …well …. disintegrated. But that's what happens when you cut off the head of a snake. It wriggles around a bit and looks like it might have some life in it but it's just plain had it! Herne Bay used to be a bog standard AA meeting. Its members helped newcomers (and themselves) when they could and otherwise just got on with it. No fanfares .. no fuss …. no Big Book 'experts', no 'personailty' (?) speakers, no work guides, no lectures, no 'know-it-all' sponsors …. just plain ordinary AA. But then the Tankerton/Canterbury Friday (cult) crew decided that Herne Bay were doing it all WRONG. They just hadn't GOT IT, and so they decided to stick their oar in - and thus began the process of disintegration. Then the 'messiah' arrived in the shape of a pair of carpet slippers - Harry K (together with his side-kick Harry A (otherwise known as Harry the Handbag – don't ask!!)) He was even more sure that they hadn't GOT IT and proceeded to bring THE WORD to the benighted heathen! Finally the heathen had had quite enough of Harry's 'missionary' work and invited him to go forth and multiply!  Of course in the good old days we would have just popped him in a pot and had him for supper … Ah! Happy times! Still …. mustn't complain. CA's loss is our gain! And maybe Herne Bay can be resurrected in its original form and return to being just an ordinary, cult free AA meeting.

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Tuesday, 30 April 2013

Attention seeking......


Every now and then we have the misfortune to be subjected to the attentions of a BIG BOOK EXPERT or as they're better known - a PRIMARY PURPOSE bore! Now for those of you not in the know you can check out some of the background on these fruitcakes here (and elsewhere on the blog - usually under the above tag). This particular individual seems particularly desperate to PROMOTE his branch of the cult based in Spain so we thought we'd finally put the guy out of his misery and give him his fifteen minutes of fame (?). He seems to have acquired a number of titles in the course of his mission to reform AA and save all us unfortunate heathens from the fate which awaits us if we fail to heed his and the other 'enlightened' ones' words: group secretary, intergroup secretary, chairman of the convention committee .. take your pick. Clearly an all-rounder who seems to have got the situation well UNDER CONTROL...... So keen indeed is he to publicise his little empire he absolutely 'insists' we include his phone number in our Cult Where to Find entry for his particular neck of the woods. We quote:

Also put my telephone number on the site so people who love the steps and want a spiritual experience can phone me and people who want to whinge in a self-centred way for 15 mins can be directed to a more suitable meeting and not waste their time and get upset with me. I occasionaly [sic] get tourist who want a moany [sic] meeting and I will direct all complaints to you if they are not happy”

Now doesn't that just warm the cockles of your heart to know the recovery programme is in such good hands! What would we do without the likes of this chap “running the show” down on the Costa del Sol. How lucky we are to have such a good natured, generous, “Live and let live” type carrying the AA (?) message to everyone (whether they want it or not – and single handedly it would seem!) in sunny Espana..... NOT!

Finally he assures us that:

I spoke to some Primary Purpose people who came to our convnetion [sic] and your site is becoming a well known source of where to find a decent meeting as you probably know”

and to which end he requested we amend the details on our site … it would seem that we'd got one of the items wrong! Well of course we always appreciate it when someone of this fellow's calibre 'puts us right' and naturally we hastened to amend the error. Unfortunately – and we'd be the first to admit this - we have been known to be terribly careless when it comes to such questions (something we're not alone in it would appear!). Therefore although our Cult Where to Finds may be quite useful in identifying meetings we wouldn't advise people to rely on them too heavily. You never know .. some of the details might have gone a bit astray! We're only human after all! But then we've got people like Andrew (yes.. that's his name) to thank... for pointing out when and where we are so remiss!

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Sunday, 28 April 2013

Primary Purpose (cult group) listings


Introducing our new world wide directory of cult groups. These will be listed initially here (alphabetically by country) and then progressively located in our new Cult Where to Find (Rest of the World). (See here for more background on the Primary Purpose movement). Where these groups are also listed in AA Where to Finds they are in breach of Tradition 3 and may not call themselves an AA group (ie. affiliation with an outside organisation)

SWEDEN

The Big Booki Group
Borlänge,
Träskogatan 10
Monday 6:00 pm (PP)

Thursday, 25 April 2013

Primary Purpose (cult group) listings


Introducing our new world wide directory of cult groups. These will be listed initially here (alphabetically by country) and then progressively located in our new Cult Where to Find (Rest of the World). (See here for more background on the Primary Purpose movement). Where these groups are also listed in AA Where to Finds they are in breach of Tradition 3 and may not call themselves an AA group (ie. affiliation with an outside organisation)

SPAIN

Primary Purpose Group
Marbella
Big Book Study
Friday 8:00 pm
English Church
Edificio Aries 36a Urb
Carolina Park Blvd.
Principe Alfonso de Hohenlohe, 29602 (PP)