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Thursday, 13 October 2016

Missing a moral 'compass'?


Have you ever encountered members who seem to have completely mislaid their ethical or moral 'compass' (if they ever had one in the first place)? You know the type ….. they'll happily lecture everyone else on how to practise the programme 'right' and then do the precise opposite themselves. People like David B (founder of the Joys of Recovery and its various offshoots - didn't have a sponsor but insisted everyone else had to have one!), David C (took over the reins after the welcome demise of David B - a grade A religious bigot and control freak – last seen down El Cerrito way spreading the 'disease'!), Wayne P (sponsored by Clancy – a serial philanderer – he seems to have a big problem keeping his trousers on), Clancy (Pacific Group - likes to play the big shot with a sideline in shaming others … in other words … a thug!), Wally P (a serial monogamist who runs Back to Basics – a nice little earner), Joe and Charlie (Primary Purpose – yet more control freaks who liked to bore AA members into recovery with their incessant lecturing), Mike Quinones (serial sexual predator who ran the Midtown Groups – also sponsored by Clancy) not to mention AA's innumerable (and growing) army of recovery 'experts' eagerly mimicking their efforts as they busily rush about organising AA (?) 'workshops', churning out yet more audio files on so-called 'fast track' recovery, each one desperately seeking the attention of anyone with a few bucks to spare, and the poor judgement to pass them in their direction...... You have! We thought so ….. And then you must have wondered what kind of guy would behave like that? What must possess them? Are they stupid? Or are they just sick.... or sicker than the rest of us? Well wonder no more …. all will be revealed – specifically Narcissistic Personality Disorder DSM-5 (pp. 9-10)

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS An update on our new campaign to be published shortly …. we've been very busy behind the scenes!

Friday, 22 April 2016

What a wag Wayne is!!



He's joking of course …. isn't he?

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Monday, 8 February 2016

The 'space cadet' moves ever closer to the 'fourth dimension'


Yep! Another correspondent has sent in Wayne's (Plymouth Road to Recovery cult group) latest contribution to Western culture via Facebook (another significant tax avoider) .. a picture of himself!


Looks like a Step Two job to us!

One wonders how far he will have 'rocketed' into his own psychotic delusions before those little men in the white coats come to TAKE HIM AWAY....

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous … and still present on planet Earth!)

PS Our usual thanks to our correspondents

Wednesday, 28 October 2015

“London Calling”: AA (?) (or Rent-a-Gob) contd


Continuing with our “London Calling” saga you will observe from the following links the striking similarities between the London Calling “Gathering” promotional website and another AA (?) set-up (Gallup) located in New Mexico (with some of the same speakers appearing). These events serve primarily a 'missionary' function imparting what is claimed to be an esoteric knowledge which is the preserve (or so it seems) of only the chosen few. The rest of us unfortunates - blind as we are to the 'one true message' (or so it is implied) - are deemed to need this 'elect' to communicate their special insights into the programme in order that we heathens might benefit from their unique knowledge blah di blah di blah ….. Of course no such event would be complete without the presence of the UK's foremost 'rent-a-gob', no less a personage than Plymouth Road to Recovery (cult) group's Wayne P. Wayne, despite suffering from a chronic condition know as 'keg displacement' or 'falling down trouser' syndrome, bravely made his way from the south west to Wimbledon to impart his own incomparable vision of recovery. For those of you who have not come across this cult group's self-appointed guru before (and let's face it - you can number only a few!), and were unfortunate enough to miss this groundbreaking event, fear not! With only a couple of clicks you too can witness the pearls of wisdom as they slide oleaginously from Wayne's lips! It's rather unfortunate perhaps that their lustre has faded somewhat with the passage of time. As far as we can tell Wayne's progress along the Road of Happy Destiny seems to have got stuck somewhat in a 'retrogressive groove' – or to put it another way – he's coming out with the same old 'pony' (Cockney rhyming slang – pony and trap rhymes with ….!) as he was in the mid-eighties. His 'message' (if you can call it that) consists solely of 'get a sponsor' and 'do what your sponsor says' - that's it! No more! We're at a loss somewhat as to why precisely he was asked to 'do a turn' at the Wimbledon International Gathering. After all it was promoted as a Big Book event, and what Wayne knows about the Big Book can easily be put on the back of a postage stamp with room to spare. Still ours not to reason why! Who can doubt the veracity of such a sage's utterances, and especially with his pedigree – or rather that of his sponsors. Firstly there was David B, a man who displayed such stunning hypocrisy as to almost defy belief, who would ceaselessly exhort anyone who wasn't able to get away in time to 'get a sponsor' and 'do what your sponsor says' but somehow managed to do without one himself – and then lied about it! And then there was Clancy – but the less said about him the better! But it would seem neither of these have been able to help Wayne with his dreadful affliction, the aforementioned keg displacement. Still we live in hope! The age of miracles is not dead! In the meantime we're quite sure that Wayne's latest 'squeeze' (a newcomer) will console him after the departure of his previous partner (impregnated but now redundant), not forgetting, of course, his ex-wife. We know that we have in the past advised Wayne to 'go forth and multiply' but not for one moment did we think he'd take it literally!

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

See also:

Plymouth (cult) Intergroup corruption

For AA Minority Report 2013 click here

Wednesday, 5 August 2015

Dumb and dumberer!


Apparently the accumulated wisdom of Clancy can be summarised thus:

 

As communicated to his ever faithful 'mutt' Wayne (Plymouth Road to Recovery cult group)

We rather like this one as a metaphor:

 

It's difficult to work out which is the more stupid!

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous) 

PS For AA Minority Report 2013 click here 

PPS Plymouth Intergroup corruption

Thursday, 30 July 2015

The Art of Chivalry


From our correspondent: 

Picture this: a crusader Knight, clad in medieval armour, helmet & chain mail; proudly riding his trusty steed. Sword by his side, Banner in hand. Is he off to fight a new crusade ? Or perhaps on his way to rescue a damsel in distress imprisoned in the lofty tower of a far-away castle? Or maybe he is off to do some jousting with the local chapter of the Knights of the Round Table?


Well, no, actually. He is more likely to be heading off to his local AA cult home group - call it Joys of Recovery or Road of Recovery, either title will do. You may wonder what on earth this is about. Well, this is based upon the latest brainstorming idea of cult guru David C (aka the Icon).

You see, David C, like Wayne P, is preoccupied with “promoting chivalry and the ideal of the catholic gentleman”. Is it coincidental that David's website article on chivalry appeared the day after aacultwatch posted (on the 13th July) an article on Wayne P's hypocrisy in presenting himself as a Catholic gentleman entitled to lecture us all on personal conduct, in spite of his own adulterous caprices? What we know for sure is David C has produced an Icon (below) of a knight with a horse; a sword; and catholic prayer book (lying on the ground for some reason); and an article intended to inspire and inflame our hearts and minds to acts of chivalry and true masculinity.

Tally-ho Sir Knight! And …..Alleluia !


All this could be laughingly dismissed as the harmless musings of an eccentric buffoon living in a fantasy world. However David C has a track record of imposing his prurient and fundamentalist catholic beliefs upon unwary AA newcomers and sponsees. All done (falsely) in the name of “carrying the message and working the AA program”, For example he made it quite clear to an AA acquaintance of mine, that practicing artificial birth control (i.e. condoms, the pill etc) was “not on the program”. The ultimate reason given was that the “Holy Father” (aka the Pope) disapproves of it, It would seem that, in David C's mind, the Roman Catholic Pope should have authority over AA members and how they run their lives and work their programs. So much for our Traditions, and our AA Preamble which talks about not being aligned to any sect or denomination. And notice also how David's self-justification is always based upon an appeal to authority, either his sponsor's or the Pope's. True to this fallacious and lazy mindset he also abhors sex before marriage. Indeed sex of any kind should only be for the procreation of children within the context of heterosexual marriage. And masturbation? Another heinous heresy! Strictly forbidden in accordance with true catholic dogma. And please don't even mention same sex relationships. And as for saunas.... don't ever go into one! They are to be avoided like the plague for fear of encountering the “disorder” of homosexuality. Get on your knees and say a pious prayer in a church instead. David C's fanatical prurience and voyeurism in sexual matters reached a sordid climax a while ago, with the creation of his so-called “Big Book recovery” document and webpage, in which he commanded those who wish to do step 4 & 5 to relate, in a detailed and voyeuristic way, the most intimate and devious sexual practices, including sex with children, animals and bottles. I believe he removed this creepy demand only after being shamed by aacultwatch and others.

Of course, all this is in stark contrast with the clear and simple message of AA as found in the Big Book, and other AA literature. Which wisely cautions us not be be the arbiter of another's sex conduct (Big Book page 69); to follow our own conscience in spiritual matters (ibid pp 95 & 132) - not someone else's (e.g a sponsor's), and not to lecture or talk down from a spiritual hilltop (ibid pp 18 & 95). And to choose carefully who we share with – allowing more than one person if necessary, an AA member or an outsider, to hear our story (ibid p 74 ff). Believe it or nor, we in AA are also allowed the freedom to follow a Higher Power OF OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING, and spiritual expressions AS WE UNDERSTAND THEM (ibid p 47) – which may not be the same as David's narrow understanding. (In my case, and in many others, it will never be the same). It seems David C,, Wayne P., and similar cult clowns and dunderheads, have great difficulty in grasping and understanding the simple and liberating concept of spiritual freedom and practice as suggested in the AA Big Book.

Back to our noble Knight. Think of chivalry, and maybe, like me, you think of good manners, courtesy, tolerance, respect and defense of the weak and down-trodden. Not so cult “chivalry” David C's “chivalry” in his homeland of England is remembered with disdain. Examples are too numerous to mention here. But it will suffice, perhaps, to relate just a few to give readers a flavour of his so-called “chivalry”. Some years ago, in a “Vision for You” cult meeting in Eaton Square, London, he cross-shared and silenced, in front of the entire meeting, one young lady who had begun to share about a painful personal experience regarding her young son who was ill in hospital. Oh dear! No emotional or “negative” sharing allowed in David's pure and knightly presence! The end result was the lady left the meeting, sobbing, never to return. On another occasion I recall a young lady was sharing her experience of Step 9, describing how she had made her amends to her mother, who, in turn, had received and accepted the amends very well. No sooner had the young lady finished sharing her lovely story, when our Sir chivalrous Knight David C came charging in, cross-sharing just about everything she had said, and making it clear that, in his opinion, (first taught to him by his sponsor, the sponsorless David B), she had NOT done Step 9 properly. After the meeting ended, David C skedaddled out the door as fast as he could. And well he might. The young lady in question was hurt and tearful, having been shamed and humiliated by him in front of an entire meeting. Yes, such is David C's “chivalry” and gentleman like manner. To date, there has been neither apology, amends, nor even an expression of remorse or regret from the self-appointed chivalrous Übermensch. You see, as far as David C and Wayne P are concerned, they never do anything wrong. It is the rest of us, the 99.99% bog standard AA members who are always wrong. We have long been judged as the “walking wounded” and the 'do nothings” no matter how long we are sober, or how much service we have done over the years. However, reality and practice reveal the exact opposite. And if we replace the word chivalry with hypocrisy and humbug, we have the true picture of David and Wayne, and all their co-dependent cult groupies and sock puppets.

Chivalry may exist somewhere at some times, but cult chivalry is well and truly dead. In fact, it never existed in the first place. “

Comment: None needed

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous …. and far too liberated to engage in archaic and irrelevant romanticism)

PS Thanks to our correspondent


Sunday, 26 July 2015

'Plastic gangstas'!


Yet more 'feedback' from the Road to Recovery Plymouth cult group.

Wayne with one of his little chums 'carrying the AA message':


Hardly 'attractive'!

'Tramp stamp'


Proud to be a Roadie”

Maybe a little bit sad!

And yet another incisive observation from a Roadie (using actual words this time!)


No surprises there then!

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Keep 'em coming Wayne!

PPS For AA Minority Report 2013 click here

PPPS Plymouth Intergroup corruption

Thursday, 23 July 2015

Some more (pictorial) offerings from Wayne......Plymouth Road to Recovery cult group


 

How amazingly witty! But of course this does beg the question … how did the boat get holed in the first place? Perhaps Wayne finally managed to retrieve his foot from its usual position (in his mouth) only to place it directly through the hull? We will probably never know.

And then we come to the cult group's motto:

 

Apparently this now appears in banner form at the group's meeting. Interesting isn't it! The only group in the country which seems to take pride in being loathed .......weird! Still at least they've finally got the message …...

Some more skull and cross bones pics. Note the themes!



 

And finally:

Wayne using sign language. Apparently he's given up on oral communication … too complicated!


 

Impressive eh!

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous … and able to string a whole sentence together!)

PS Thanks to our contributors

PPS For AA Minority Report 2013 click here 

PPPS Plymouth Intergroup corruption

Wednesday, 15 July 2015

For the edification of all those 'schmucks' out there …...


. and assorted schmoes, putzes, shlemiels, shmendriks etc

See here, here and here

Sei gesund!

די פעללאַס (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Thanks to our erudite correspondent

PPS For AA Minority Report 2013 click here

Monday, 13 July 2015

Are you a “Catholic Gentleman”?


Our correspondent observes:

Regarding the Vatican insignia on his [Wayne P] profile pic.



Apparently a number of people have that on his Facebook friends list. It indicates that the person concerned is a devout Catholic. Recently a lot of people on Facebook have been superimposing rainbow flags over their profile picture in order to indicate their support for the legalization of gay marriage by the supreme court in the USA. Superimposing the Vatican flag is a kind of (anti) response to that. You also find people superimposing the Confederate rebel flag and other flags to indicate their affiliations.

Also I did notice something interesting about Wayne's Facebook interests....... but he also has pictures from a Facebook community page called "The Catholic Gentleman" which has an interesting description of purpose I quote "A community for Catholic men that seeks to encourage virtue, the pursuit of holiness and the art of true masculinity."

The art of true masculinity ? What the hell is that, and why would anyone need to know what it might be anyway? Is hero worshipping your sponsor part of that I wonder? The community have a website.


And guess what is in there ? A book of prayers and icons part written by David C.


How to create a Catholic oratory and altar in your own home and indoctrinate your kids in the correct version of Catholicism ( ie the most bigoted, fuddy-duddy and old fashioned) and keep Satan at bay!

I am not a psychiatrist, but I have listened to many Step 5's in my earlier AA days and I would guess that there is some kind of sexual neurosis going on here?

However that may be, Wayne's conduct hardly adds up to the Catholic ideal. Read the above description of the page again! What a chump!”

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS For AA Minority Report 2013 click here

Saturday, 4 July 2015

Plymouth Road to Recovery cult group's motto!


No one likes us We don't care”



We wonder why! Could this be the answer?

Selfishness—self-centredness! That, we think, is the root of our troubles. Driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, and self-pity, we step on the toes of our fellows and they retaliate. Sometimes they hurt us, seemingly without provocation, but we invariably find that at some time in the past we have made decisions based on self which later placed us in a position to be hurt.” (Alcoholics Anonymous, How It Works, p. 62)

(our emphases)

Nah! Couldn't be! Everyone knows that the Roadies are ALWAYS RIGHT... and the rest of us … well we're ALWAYS WRONG! The very idea!!

And (in line with the above motto):


Wayne's latest cogently argued response from Facebook (yet another selfie!). Impressive eh! Tells you all you need to know about the …... schmuck! But isn't the grin beginning to look a teensy-weensy bit ....... forced??

Wayne truly is the 'gift that keeps on giving'!

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Thanks to our correspondent for sending in these screen-shots

PPS  Plymouth Intergroup corruption

Friday, 3 July 2015

'Schmucks' out themselves!


We have a winner for our 'Spot the schmuck' competition! Bill W (could this be their real name?) who hails from Plymouth (what a coincidence!) correctly identified our mystery 'schmuck'.

As promised here is a 100 per cent genuine Cheshire Cat smile c/o Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (a place mostly inhabited by strange surreal creatures whose contact with reality is always somewhat tenuous) (sounds a bit like the Plymouth Road to Recovery cult group!)



The Cheshire cat as illustrator John Tenniel envisioned it in the 1866 publication

You may recall from the original story that the cat would fade away from time to time leaving only its smile floating in the air. Again this is strangely reminiscent of the Road to Recovery crew: All surface! No substance! Remember: “Frothy emotional appeal seldom suffices. The message which can interest and hold these alcoholic people must have depth and weight. In nearly all cases, their ideals must be grounded in a power greater than themselves [not a sponsor], if they are to re-create their lives” (Alcoholics Anonymous, The Doctor's Opinion, p. xxviii)

But it would seem that Bill is not alone in correctly identifying our mystery 'schmuck', or indeed a whole gaggle of them!



It's official. They're ALL schmucks! And apparently in “full flight [from reality]” (ibid. p. xxvi) Oh dear!

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Wednesday, 17 June 2015

Plymouth Road to Recovery (cult) group to be renamed Plymouth Maternity Unit


According to various correspondents male members (?) of this cult group (also see under Area News, South West for more on this group's perverse history) have been VERY busy 'carrying the message' (?), and their recipients equally busy carrying the consequences! Over the last few years no fewer than three 'RTR' babies have been produced with two of the mothers continuing to attend the cult group. The third (and a number of other past RTR 'baby mothers' - there are more?!) no longer attend AA. Wayne P (group guru and progenitor – in more ways than one!) has - as one would expect of a 'born' leader - made his own contribution to repopulating the Plymouth area and taken up with yet ANOTHER RTR woman after fathering a child with his last sponsee (we're assuming by now that Wayne's long suffering wife, if she has any sense, has walked away from this train-wreck of a marriage).

Perhaps aacultwatch should take part of the blame. After all it was us that advised the group to 'go forth and multiply”!

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Thanks to our various correspondents.

PPS See previous posts here 

PPPS Would the person who sent in two comments to be published on the blog contact us directly via our email address: aa_cultwatch@yahoo.co.uk. We'd like to check some of the background. As they stand we can't currently publish them. Anonymity guaranteed

Tuesday, 9 June 2015

Esher Green Saturday – our latest cult meeting addition


Esher Green – an annexe to the Hampton Wick Friday cult meeting. See our Cult Where to Find (GB)

From a correspondent:

Gentlemen

Time for a progress report. It has been some months since the Dead Parrot's Society AA meeting started, with ever greater numbers, and even recently its own convention.

This meeting is very well run. Organised and relentless in it efficiency. Very subtle use of inculcation. Almost subliminal, and always the same. A well versed Gang of 4 run it, but you really have to be perceptive to realise what is going on. This meeting is a seminar, without the name.

Principle features are the 4 always share, often one after the other, but not always. The secretary always shares, with a very liberal sprinkling of "We" and "You". Next favourite is "The Big Book tells US" and common to the entire gang "in MY experience" which is poorly disguised code for "In MY OPINION". Actual, tangible, practical EXPERIENCE is not shared. We are simply told "it works". The other relentless favourite is "My sponsor says( or said)" to the extent that these sponsors must be so busy philosophising, they cannot have any room or time to do anything else. So, by analogy we are told "X" or "Y" works, but never from the personal experience of the gang. It just does, apparently, and the faster we believe it, the better. I have yet to hear one actual personal piece of experience which supports an (always very well parroted) extract from the Big Book.

The sharing of personal experience is left to the remaining attendees, who by and large appear to be in thrall to the Gang. Certainly nothing spontaneous happens without them.

At the beginning of the meeting "our Clerical secretary" reads out a lengthy discourse about "the meeting after the meeting" with a plethora of clumsily phrased "permissions" such as "you don't have to order a meal" followed by a list of soft drinks one may be allowed to order. It reads like Kindergarten (stumblingly as well, and always read out loud).

So what exactly is the problem with this then? Given a very cursory glance, not very much one may think. It is the thinly disguised habitual lecturing. The sharing of the Gang of 4 is simply not sharing. It is telling. Always telling and "supported" by "My experience" or "My sponsor says", which if viewed in legal terms is entirely self serving and unsupported by evidence, the mainstay of any court hearing.

Given alcoholics like me tend toward the cynical, the Doubting Thomas approach, experience in the form of personal evidence is a must, so I can learn HOW IT WORKS, not simply that it does and get on with it.

Just one person's view.

...”

An addendum:

Another correspondent tells us that the recent 'convention' held by the Esher group featured as its guest speaker no less a personage than Wayne P, ex-guru from the Plymouth Road to Recovery cult group. We say 'ex' because poor Wayne somewhat blotted his copybook not long ago and has been virtually expunged from the group's history. Unfortunately Wayne suffers from not one but three chronic conditions: alcoholism, 'falling down trouser' syndrome and last but not least, foot and mouth (sorry... that should read 'foot IN mouth'). Every time he opens his mouth he puts his foot in it. But we should not mock the afflicted! He can't help being stupid. It's not his fault. He's powerless over his mouth, feet and trousers.....

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Thanks to our correspondents

Wednesday, 28 May 2014

Bournemouth Road to Recovery suicide


Some time ago we received some correspondence concerning the above group. We were requested to delay reporting this out of deference to the feelings of family and friends. The communication has been edited to preserve anonymity. These events took place in July/August 2012


Hi,

I am writing this in connection with the recent suicide of a member of the Bournemouth Road to Recovery group.

... threw himself out of a tree with a rope around his neck on Monday 30th July. His neck was broken and I believe his spinal cord was severed. He was kept alive until Friday 3rd August at which point his ventilator was switched off.

I visited him ….... to pay my respects and say goodbye.....

Since his death I have learned that …...... was a member of  the Bournemouth Road to Recovery group and was sponsored by a certain '….......', …....., sometime sponsee of Wayne P and a person I should like to avoid meeting ever again.

....'s parents …... are mystified by his death - "He'd stopped drinking, his life seemed to be getting better. He'd even written a new song and joined a choir...." - and want to know about his associates and connections in AA. They understood that …... was a member of what they described as "a breakaway group in AA."

I don't want these kind and decent people to get caught in crossfire between the Roadies and 'mainstream' AA. They are stunned by grief. I believe that in time they may also start to feel angry, as indeed I am beginning to..

Meanwhile [his sponsor] is said to be on holiday.

I would appreciate any thoughts, suggestions or observations you may have to give me. …... was a friend, a decent guy and about as vulnerable as any chronic alcoholic has  a right to be.

In fellowship.

....”


Our response:

Dear …...

Thank you for your mail.

We're sorry to hear about the death of your friend. 

From our perspective it's always very difficult to discern the precise reasons why somebody decides to take their own life. In one sense there's nothing 'reasonable' about it. To go against one's own instinct to survive can only be the result of an enormous internal conflict.  What we can say however is that the kind of environment offered by cult groups like Bournemouth Road to Recovery is probably the worst possible for people such as these.  Their anti prescribed medication/anti counselling/dogma driven approach offers nothing to the more vulnerable members of our society.  From your description of …. it might be that he was suffering from depression and was unable to communicate easily what he was going through.  To exacerbate the situation further  (as you may be aware) any such 'negative' expression is much frowned upon in cult circles.  The opportunities for him to talk about these concerns may have been very limited indeed.  We quite understand your concern for his family and their feelings. They are after all the ones left behind to try and come to terms with his death.  It is interesting to note however that they are seeking some kind of explanation as to why he should take his own life, and moreover seem to suspect already that this may be in some way linked to his participation in the above group  We would certainly encourage them to pursue their enquiries especially if these should throw some light on the circumstances that resulted in his death.

We can of course raise the matter on the site (suitably edited) which may elicit further information if you feel that would be appropriate

Cheers

The Fellas”



Dear Fellas,

Thanks for prompt reply.

I want these fundamentalist goons 'outed' for what they are.

I recall my own slog through the first three years of sobriety, the emotional instability and the taboo against saying how you really feel. I was helped by good people who told me things would probably get better with time and continued use of AA. I guess that's pretty much what I said to my poor friend.

He made a bid for freedom from the road [Bournemouth Road to Recovery] a couple of months back, …........, then stepped back onto the road. I have found this out only since he died. It's not my practice to draw folk away from the road.

The trouble is that vulnerable souls - and who doesn't fit that description in early times? - experience a crisis of confidence and conscience, caught between the hard line and 'the easier, softer way'. We are told we don't know what's best for us and the road equips us with (seemingly) strong, charismatic sponsors to tell us. The word 'cult' is appropriate.

As to the circumstances which resulted in …....'s death I have pieced some of them together. …....... I believe he was also on anti depressant (or even anti psychotic) medication. …....... several 'roadies' from …...'s home group ….. seem very shocked and I suspect the event may even discredit the group in the eyes of some members.

My problem is this. I would like …....'s inquest, funeral and memorial service to pass before any information is disseminated on Cult Watch. This wish is in the spirit of protecting …....'s family at this stage …......

Again I would value your perspective on this.

Best wishes,

...”


Comment: None required. We'll let the facts speak for themselves

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)