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Saturday, 15 June 2013

The Big Book Study Movement


Final Report: Leinster (Eire) Intergroup Sub-Committee (September 2008)





Source: Alcoholics Anonymous General Service Conference of Ireland
Alcoholics Anonymous News Sheet – update – Dec 2008/Jan 2009

Extracts:

No group or individual should deem themselves an authority on how to interpret the Big Book on behalf of others. The steps are suggested and experienced sponsors are wise enough not to give newcomers hard and fast directives. There are no authorities in AA and even self-appointed teachers have “feet of clay”.

Our knowledge of recovery has been received in the Fellowship through the experience of one Alcoholic sharing with another Alcoholic and it was not received on an instructive basis or in a classroom atmosphere”.

Many times we have heard an argument supported with one part of a tradition whilst the second part is completely ignored. This phenomenon seems to occur, quite often, in Tradition 4. “Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or AA as a whole. Autonomy seems to be used as an argument, to explain or defend, why a group ought to do what a certain member wants it to do”.

Sponsorship

In AA sponsor and sponsored meet as equals, just as Bill and Dr Bob did”.

The Internet and Website

Conference, (a collective Group Conscience of all the Groups in Ireland, both North and South) requested that there be only one website for Alcoholics Anonymous in Ireland and that the Groups, if they chose, would list the times, dates and places of meetings, as in the Directory, without the contact names and phone numbers, in the interest of unity. Conference felt that if Groups started to host their own websites [eg. The Road to Recovery (cult) group Plymouth], it might create competition between them and would dilute the very purpose of what was intended, which is simply to inform the public and their members, of where and when meeting [sic] are held”.

And finally:

Tradition 5 …..The unique ability of each AA to to identify himself with and bring recovery to the newcomer in no way depends upon his learning, eloquence or any special individual skills”.

(our emphases – in bold print)


Comment: As we've said before (see The Big Book Study Movement is outside of the Structure of Alcoholics Anonymous In Ireland) the General Service Conference of Ireland seems to be light years ahead of its GB equivalent. They have identified the problem, discussed it and evolved a clear strategy to deal with the issues raised. What a contrast they are with Great Britain's service structure which seems barely able to acknowledge that a problem exists at all let alone begin to respond to it! Ostrich-like they bury their heads in the sand in the hope that these dogmatists will just go away (see Minority Report 2013 and Primary Purpose/Back to Basics). We repeat our previous question to our “trusted servants” (??): Precisely how many newcomers have to suffer and die before clear action is taken to exclude these meetings (Primary Purpose, Back to Basics, Visions) from our fellowship? How long are AA members going to continue to inflate the egos (and the pocket books) of the sundry circuit speakers, Big Book 'experts' and other parasites by subscribing to their so-called 'workshops' and assorted 'study guides' together with all the other accessory junk they produce? In fact just when is “I AM RESPONSIBLE” going to be something more than a mere form of words to be mouthed meaninglessly at AA meetings?

Over to you

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Our thanks to the member who obtained a copy of the newsletter from GSO Ireland

Friday, 7 June 2013

The Big Book Study Movement is outside of the Structure of Alcoholics Anonymous In Ireland


Official! It seems that AA in Ireland at least have got their act together when it comes to dealing with the recovery programme (Big Book) 'experts' ie. Primary Purpose, Joe and Charlie, the Raymer gang and assorted fruitcakes blah blah ad nauseam that make up this branch of the cult.

We quote:

Big Book Study Movement is outside the structure of Alcoholics Anonymous in Ireland.” (p.12, http://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie/download/1/ServiceHandbook 2012.pdf)

Further:

The Committee was surprised at the proliferation of the Big Book Study Movement Groups being created and providing misleading and inaccurate Information in order to gain entry to our directory, with total disregard of our Conference decision (September 1995), that the Big Book Study Movement Is outside of the Structure of Alcoholics Anonymous In Ireland'. Our Committee was disturbed by some of the practices, conditions, contracts and rules attached to these meetings. (Appendix 1) 
 
Alcoholics Anonymous is a programme of self diagnosis, self motivation, self action and the use of study guides, courses, classes, or interpretations are. therefore, not appropriate. No group or Individual should deem themselves an authority on how-to interpret the Big Book on behalf of others. The steps are suggested and experienced sponsors are wise enough not to give newcomers hard and fast directives. There are no authorities in AA and even self appointed teachers, have "feet of clay".
 
In 1977, faced with a rising number of requests, from AA members, to reprint excerpts of the Big Book and other materials in Study Guides, the Directors of AA World Services appointed a Committee, to explore the question. Members of the Committee unanimously recommended that the Board not grant permission, to use excerpts or our literature in Study guides, and that AA itself should not publish Study Guides and have declined to provide any interpretative material, they chose to let our literature stand alone. Our knowledge of recovery has been received In the Fellowship through the experience of one Alcoholic sharing with another Alcoholic and it was not received on an instructive basis or in a classroom atmosphere

(our emphases)

Source: ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS GENERAL SERVICE CONFERENCE OF IRELAND News Sheet Dec 2008/Jan 2009 – no longer available on the AA Ireland website. We are endeavouring to obtain a copy)

Moreover an AA member with direct knowledge of the Primary Purpose movement comments on another site (vigorously):

"Before everyone on this site gets their panties in a wad, they might want to investigate what we are really dealing with...and it ain't AA! 
 
I am sick and tired as well of these self appointed messiahs we have here in Texas at the PPG and other Groups that have teachers, gurus, WORKBOOKS (DAMNED WORKBOOKS) which are nothing more than tools to gain money and prestige under the guise of Carrying the AA Message. It is a cancer in AA and creates some of the worst arrogant, self-serving, sober monsters I have ever encountered. 
 
Take a peek at the website below. Since when do we do classrooms? Who among us has the right to write our own workbooks...the height of selfish arrogance? Who is so above the simple message found in the BB of AA that they feel compelled (ego-starved) to add to what has been a gift from God?
..........
I could go on for hours since I have years of experience dealing with the self-serving clowns. The final product is usually a 1 1/2 to 2 year sober arrogant know-it-all self-righteous, angry cretins that annoy the hell out of everyone and ends up in a very short time drunk again. I lost count of how many I have seen end up that way. I sponsor 4 guys that are refugees from their cult and they have lots of sobriety now and are active in working with others. 
 
I just heard about one of there little monsters with three years sobriety in far N. Dallas area that, when asked to speak at a group, announced to the group that he needed 2 months of speaking dates at the group to convey the full message he has to offer. What a tool. 
 
It's late, I'm tired. I have all sorts of other links and attachments to send you about these clowns later. Good for the GSO in Ireland. 
 
This bunch really needs to read the long version of Tradition 3 where it states "Any two or three alcoholic gathered for sobriety may call themselves an AA Group provided that as a group, they have no other affiliation." Affiliation oozes out of their pores. They just need to start their own ego driven program and leave AA alone!" 
 

(our edits)

Comment: Our questions to the General Service Conference Great Britain are - if Ireland was able to identify these groups and take appropriate and decisive action way back in 1995 why is it that the GB conference is still waffling around ignoring the problem whilst steadily disappearing up its own orifice eighteen years later? What exactly are our “trusted servants” up to? How many more newcomers have got to suffer abuse and exploitation (and in some instances die) before they take REAL action? Any answers? You might like to begin by looking at our Cult Where to Find to get some idea of the scale of the problem. We believe our own listing contains only a fraction of the groups who have formed such outside affiliations!

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Our thanks to the member who brought this to our attention

Sunday, 26 May 2013

Big Book Study Guides? AAWS Arrives at a Position (1977)


We quote:

Increasing numbers of requests come to A.A. World Services for permission to reprint the Twelve Steps and other parts of the Big Book in "study guides" and other interpretive material. Some come from treatment centers that try to give instruction in the A.A. Program to their patients. Other requests originate within A.A. After several months of study by a committee appointed for the purpose, a policy was adopted. The members of the committee unanimously recommended that permission should not be granted to reprint portions of basic A.A. recovery literature in study guides or interpretive material, and that if such guides are necessary, A.A. should publish them itself.

Here is what some A.A.W.S. Directors said. One trustee-director wrote:

"The individual A.A. member does not need another person or institution to think for him or her - in fact, this could be a very bad thing. Part of the beauty and magic of A.A. is that persons from all walks of life, with varied backgrounds, may benefit from the Big Book, the Steps, the Traditions, and the Concepts, from their own points of view. Placing guidelines on paper seems to say, ’This is the way - the only way.’

"The authors of this priceless material knew what they were doing. Their words require study, not interpretation."

Another trustee-director enlarged on this line of thinking as follows: "As it is now, to the extent A.A. takes positions, it is in our literature, etc. and if it isn’t there, A.A. does not have a position. This is clear and simple, and we should keep it this way.

I am of the opinion we should not prepare interpretive or study guides ourselves. Since we feel that alcoholism is a self-diagnosed disease, it follows that recovery is a program of self action. Our literature, our program, the Steps, the groups, and the meetings all facilitate self-diagnosis and self-action within the A.A. environment.

I see our literature, particularly the books, as being study guides. It’s all there. I see the meetings, particularly closed meetings, as the interpretive workshops. Often, comments at meetings have gotten me back to the source documents for further study or have shed additional light on the printed word. I almost have the feeling that the words are living, changing, growing.

One of our slogans is ’Keep it simple.’ I believe our books are just simple enough to stand as they are and just complex enough to live and grow."

A third trustee-director said, "My knowledge of recovery has been received in the Fellowship through the experience of one drunk sharing with another, not on an instructive basis or in a classroom atmosphere. I believe we in A.A. communicate with each other in a language of the heart."

The board has adopted the following policy statement:

"The A.A. World Services Board of Directors feels strongly that permission should not be granted to outside publishers or other parties to reprint A.A. literature for the purpose of study guides or interpretive or explanatory texts, etc. If such interpretive or study guides are to be prepared, they should be published by A.A. World Services, Inc.

The board recognizes, however, that A.A. is a program of self-diagnosis, self-motivation, and self-action and that the use of study guides, courses, classes, or interpretations is therefore not generally appropriate. The program is spiritual rather than academic. Hence, it is preferable that the individual member or prospect interpret the literature according to his own point of view. For these reasons, the board does not plan to publish study guides or interpretations of A.A. literature at this time."

The full position paper is available from G.S.O.”

(our emphases)


See also here

Comment: So they were saying this back in 1977 and yet still the recovery 'industry' both within and outside AA continues to churn out material of questionable value (and we're being extremely generous here)! Joe and Charlie, Primary Purpose, Back to Basics, The Last Straw Foundation (oops …. the Last MILE Foundation) and other assorted members of that age old fraternity – the 'snake oil' purveyors - continue to bombard anyone within range with their particular 'take' on the recovery programme. Of course what works for Joe and Charlie may be be fine …. for Joe and Charlie. For our part we'd rather do our own thinking thank you very much! But there may well be members of the Fellowship who are so weak-minded that they are unable to figure it out for themselves .... but then who wants to admit that! Our own recovery course (carefully hidden away in the Articles section) is an approach not an interpretation and allows the widest possible latitude for the exercise of the critical faculties ….. but yours not somebody elses!

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Our thanks to the member for drawing this document to our attention

Saturday, 4 August 2012

The Primary Purpose Big Book Study Cult continued … or As Joe Sees It!


Extract from our forum: http://forums.delphiforums.com/aacultwatch under thread: “TLM in Alanon UK?”

Thanks …... I agree Joe’s [as in Joe and Charlie's Big Book Study] books are really simple, that’s the problem I have with them. It’s all there in black and white, how to take the steps and how to sponsor, according to Joe. Done and dusted; a quick fix. I can understand their appeal. However, much of the way we communicate is subconscious. The subliminal insinuated messages in Joe’s writing are disturbing to me. Anyone who hasn’t much knowledge of AA history will probably be unaware of them. For many alcoholics recovery is not so simple. Nor is AA history as simple and as black and white as Joe McQ portrays. He makes little distinction between early AA groups and Oxford Groups. Early AA groups were not Oxford Groups. He takes the 1935-1939 pre formative AA timescale (Oxford Group/alcoholic group) out of its context and then mixes it with the post 1939 early AA timescale. His account of the early AA period (post 1939) doesn’t appear to distinguish between what was the overall developing AA policy at the time and what were the painful mistakes of inexperienced groups who were either dictatorships or on rule making benders.

To me, Joe McQ portrays a half truth of early AA history which leaves a very distorted picture of the origin of the twelve steps, of AA history and of sponsorship. His books just give you the white, as Joe sees it, leaving out most of the black and shades of grey to be found in the Alcoholics Anonymous World Service books. What Joe doesn’t say is just as telling as what he does. To explain why I have a problem with Joe’s books will take a number of posts, so I hope you’ll bear with me. I’ll reference the posts with literature published by AA World Services and AA Grapevine, so if you then wish to do so, you’ll be able to check out what I have to say for yourself. The first post will be a few things about the Oxford Group that Joe doesn’t tell you, the 2nd will be a few things from the early AA period that Joe doesn’t tell you, the 3rd will be relating AA traditions to the reason why I have a problem with his books. First post coming up soon….. “

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Sunday, 3 April 2011

Big Book Study Guides: Reviewing a Position Paper


[Quoted from AA Service News – Summer 2006 – No. 127. This article originally appeared in Box 459, Vol. 51, No. 6, December 2005. Copyright Alcoholics Anonymous World Services 2005.]

“Sober alcoholics are notorious for refusing to be told what to do, say, or think. The Steps are “suggested,” and experienced sponsors are wise enough not to give newcomers hard and fast directives. Yet paradoxically, a surprising number of members seek out and rely on study guides when they begin delving into AA literature. A variety of such guides are available, published by non-AA entities. While the General Service Board neither endorses nor opposes these publications, we have historically declined to produce any kind of interpretive material ourselves, choosing instead to let our literature stand on its own.

In 1977, faced with a rising number of requests from non-AA sources and some AA members to reprint portions of the Big Book and other material in study guides, the directors of AA World Services, Inc. took a hard look at the subject and appointed a committee to explore the question. Members of the committee unanimously recommended that the board not grant permission to outside entities to use excerpts from our literature in study guides, and that AA itself should not publish study guides. [Note: 'Alcoholics Anonymous' 1st edn. is out of copyright and therefore no permission is required in this instance. Other editions remain in copyright]

The resulting paper, Big Book Study Guides and Other Interpretations of the AA Program: A Position Paper, begins with thoughts of several of the directors who made up the committee. For example, one director wrote: “Part of the beauty and magic of AA is that persons from all walks of life with varied backgrounds may benefit from the Big Book, the Steps, the Traditions, the Concepts, from their own points of view. Placing guidelines on paper seems to say, ‘This is the way—the only way.
“The thrust of our literature, our program, the Steps, the groups, and the meetings are all designed, and effectively so, to facilitate self-diagnosis and self-action within the AA environment. I see our literature, particularly the books, as being study guides. It’s all there: I almost have the feeling that the words are living, changing, growing. I know this isn’t so as they are the same and only I change and grow. But this phenomenon takes place because the words are the words; they are unlayered, uninterpreted, standing on their own. One of our slogans is ‘Keep it Simple.’ I believe our books are just simple enough to stand as they are and just complex enough to live and grow. “I understand our program to be a spiritual program. I know it has been and is for me. However, I don’t believe any amount of study with or without interpretive guides could have given me this. The words were part of it, but the interaction with other AAs at meetings and in face to face discussion is what really got me into action. Knowing what I should do has been less of a problem than having the faith to undertake the first quivering right actions. Exposure to living testament, not written words, provides the spark of faith that results finally in determined action. I would be sorely troubled to think that we believed that this would be better packaged than it already is. I think it would be very unwise to tamper with a delicate balance that seems to be working as they say, ‘just fine,’ for alcoholics who want it.”

Another director felt this way: “My knowledge of recovery has been received in the Fellowship through the experience of one drunk sharing with another drunk and it was not received on an instructive basis or in a classroom atmosphere. I believe that we in AA communicate with each other in a language of the heart, and this type of communication would be extremely difficult with the use of study guides.…
“Finally, Tradition Two tells me we have but one ultimate authority—a loving God as he expresses himself in our group conscience. It seems to me if we allow interpretations of the Big Book through study guides, we will also undermine our ultimate authority.”

The final policy statement reads as follows: “The AA World Services Board of Directors feels strongly that permission should not be granted to outside publishers or other parties to reprint AA literature for the purpose of study guides or interpretive or explanatory texts, etc. If such interpretive or study guides are to be prepared, they should be published by AA World Services, Inc.
The Board recognizes, however, that AA is a program of self-diagnosis, self-motivation and self-action—and that the use of study guides, courses, classes or interpretations is therefore not generally appropriate. The program is spiritual rather than academic. There are no authorities in AA and even a self-appointed ‘teacher’ has feet of clay. Hence, it is preferable that the individual member or prospect interpret the literature according to his/her own point of view. For these reasons, the Board does not plan to publish study guides or interpretations of AA literature at this time.”

Of course, while Alcoholics Anonymous has declined to participate in the production of interpretive material, it does not oppose their publication or their use by AA members. Many members get in touch with the General Service Office, asking whether they can use study guides. A letter written in 1985 by Bob P., then general manager of GSO, is typical of the replies to such inquiries: “I don’t see that the use of this material by your group would be contrary to either the letter or the spirit of the Twelve Traditions.… And if [your group] wish to use mimeographed guides or forms to help the study of the book, neither the Board nor this office either endorse or oppose such materials.” Bob went on to explain the position of the AAWS Board, and enclosed the 1977 position paper as background.”

(our emphases)

Comment: It should be clear from the above that the use of such guides is to be considered inappropriate within the context of Alcoholics Anonymous and so we would argue (despite the personal (and incorrect) opinion (qualified) to the contrary expressed by the then General Manager of GSO New York). In our view their employment is - or can potentially be - in breach of Traditions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 12 variously (and dependent on their composition). Outside the context of AA it is of course entirely permissible for individuals to utilise whatever information they wish - and in whatever form it may be presented - in order to support their own recovery. However such activities should not be conducted under the auspices of the Fellowship and study guides should certainly not be utilised within AA meetings. Additionally this same principle may be applied to the present outbreak of circuit speakers, each one “marketing” their own “brand” to all and sundry whilst playing upon the latter's susceptibility to their “snake oil salesman” patter, and with the punter even paying a premium for the privilege! Remember: There are no authorities in AA and even a self-appointed ‘teacher’ has feet of clay”. These individuals provide nothing that cannot be garnered by attending AA meetings (free of charge!) and reflecting on what is communicated there (both spoken and written ie. conference approved literature) and thereafter acting upon it – or not - as they see fit. Moreover it is well known that the cult have produced their own literature (a hybrid based loosely on conference approved literature but intermingled with their own dogma) and these documents are promoted extensively within their groups. The above caveats applied to study guides most certainly operate when it comes to this type of literature as well.

Finally: 'You pays your money and you gets.... ripped off ….usually!'

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

(our thanks to the AA member who drew our attention to the above article)