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Showing posts with label Linwood. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Linwood. Show all posts

Tuesday, 9 July 2013

Our latest missive from Linwood


See here

Extracts (with our responses):

Quote:

“Seeing that you have FAILED to prove your criticisms of Linwood Monday Night Group or myself, here are a few pointers.”

Our response: Again we refer you to the original blog entry. You will observe we made no criticisms – our correspondent did. We applied an entirely neutral reporting tone to the information we were sent. It was only on receiving your somewhat clumsy email implying legal action that we decided to modify our approach. Your latest offering doesn't incline us to change our tack one bit! But you do seem remarkably defensive!

“1. NEVER have we referred to ourselves as black panthers, and I have absolutely no idea what that term would even insinuate.”

Our response: See here for Black Panthers

“2. Anonymity: I personally use my full name, along with some others I know so as NOT TO violate the tradition of anonymity.

In an article in the February 1969 Grapevine: "Dr. Bob on Tradition Eleven," Volume 25, Issue 9, D. S. Of San Mateo, California, wrote that Dr. Bob commented on the Eleventh Tradition, "We need always maintain personal anonymity At the level of press, radio and films,"as follows:

"Since our Tradition of Anonymity designates the exact level where the line should be held, it must be obvious to everyone who can read and understand the English Language that to maintain Anonymity at any other level is definately [sic] a Violation of this Tradition."

"The AA who hides his identity from his fellow AAs by using only a given name Violates The Tradition just as much as the AA who permits his name to appear in the press in connection with matter pertaining to AA."

"The former is maintaining his anonymity ABOVE the level of press, radio and films, and the latter is maintaining his anonymity BELOW the level of press, radio and films---whereas the tradition states that we should maintain our anonymity 'AT' the level of press, radio and films.")”

Our response: Dr Bob may have been many things but he certainly wasn't a logician or a semanticist. The tradition means what it says: anonymity applies to AA members qua AA members when communicating via the indicated media. It cannot be taken to offer any guidance (explicit or implied) as to how AA members identify themselves to each other in any other context. So, for example, if a 'rule' proposes that one should always attire oneself in formal evening wear when attending certain social engagements this does not preclude wearing exactly the same kind of outfit on any other occasion one chooses (including going swimming if you should be so inclined!). The presence of a 'condition' in one situation does not automatically imply its absence in another. Or to put it briefly – it's contingent, not necessary! Moreover the notion of the word “at” (as in “at the level of”) as defining a precise boundary between an “above” and “below” and excluding both (as Dr Bob suggests) is not supported by its full meaning ie. in or near the area occupied by; in or near the location of (see any good dictionary). Finally, in practical terms, we've never had any problem identifying somebody on the sole basis of their first name and initial. How many Zebadiahs (or Ebenezers etc etc ) for example do you know??

“3. Berate the fellowship? Hmmm, I belong to the fellowship, so that would be rather foolish would it not?”

Our response: Clearly you haven't attended enough meetings. Lecturers, gurus, Big Book experts abound! As to your foolishness we'll let others be the judge of that.

“4. To the best of my knowledge each member at Linwood belongs only to that group, and would therefore have to be members of another group in order to change another's format. So the answer is NO.”

Our response: Interesting! Such an exclusive society! (sounds familiar – almost dare we say ….. cultish!). Would that be part of your group conscience?

“5. What is the measuring device to determine energy given by others? Could it possibly be an individual with a resentment? As at the end of the day, it has taken ten years for such allegations to be levelled against the group.”

Our response: More apposite was the application of the qualifying term “dark” (as in sinister, oppressive, controlling, burdensome, stultifying, vitiating, corrupting etc etc). As for ten years! Better late than never!

“6. That I am miserable and controlling? Well, who would I be to answer such a question. Just lets say that it has taken over 21 years for that accusation to be made at me. I think you shall find that alcoholics who are miserable don't hang around AA too long.”

Our response: see 3 above. Correct us if we're wrong (and by now we're quite sure you will) but didn't Bill W suffer from depression (something rather more serious than being “miserable”) for quite a few years. See Bill Wilson's Fight With Depression. Didn't he stick around for a while? How long was it now? Ah yes. Right up till 1971 when he died (sober). Now when was it he joined AA? Oh yeah …. we forgot. He was a co-founder wasn't he! So that would be round about 1935. Now let's see ….. 71 minus 35 … who's got the calculator? Oh bugger it! It's a long time anyway ...

“To finish, I never knew we had a police service in AA, self appointed at that too. So the controlling allegations fair made me laugh, it really did. When all over your blog you try to control others , even using the terms "our investigations". By hiding behind a computer, you's and your correspondents really do need to take a good look at yourselves FELLAS. “

Our response: Finally! But fun though this all is we are starting to get a teensy weensy bit bored! You're really going to have to try a more original line of argument though. The “police service” slant is starting to wear a bit thin. See the Minority Report 2013 for the whys and wherefores of it all! And yeah, yeah.. we'll be good boys and girls and do our usual written inventories – and then get straight back on the keyboard!


And just when we thought it was all over we received an addendum to the original email:
“Do you now have a page for the obviously resentful, lying correspondent to be named and shamed as you attempted to do with the Linwood group and myself?”

Our response: No. But wouldn't that breach their anonymity? But then you're an expert on the subject? But do you and the Linwood: Change Through Action BB [Big Book] Monday group think we should? (someone pass the man a pick and shovel. We don't think he's dug himself in deep enough yet!)

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous ….. sounds of police sirens fading into the distance …..)


PS Don't mention it! We're happy to give you the free publicity – or rather – exposure!

Tuesday, 18 June 2013

Linwood: Change Through Action BB [Big Book] Monday - update


An email (dated Monday 17/06/13)

“Good evening Mr ???????, It was brought to my attention that you have PUBLICLY named myself and the group I belong to on the World Wide Web. I have absolutely no intention of having any debate with you regarding your comments, the fact that someone passes on their opinion to you which goes to print tells me everything I need to know.
However, as I do have a partner and kids, I shall be seeking legal advice on this matter and only wish to afore warn you of my intentions.
You do now have the opportunity of course to remove this quote, and pass on the details of its author. To hide behind the status of anonymity, I must confess to having never come across such a cowardly act in such a long time.

Mr Lindsay …...”

(our edits)

Our reply (dated 18/06/13)

“Dear Mr …...,

With reference to our blog entry “Linwood: Change Through Action BB [Big Book] Monday”
(14th June 2013)

Thank you for your mail. As you will note from the blog entry (and in accordance with AA tradition) your first name only has been identified. As for our names you may take your pick: Ebenezer, Zachariah, Sandra, Mike, John, Bruce (and Sheila), Uncle Tom Cobley and so on and so forth....

It is unfortunate that you have declined to enter into a debate but that of course is entirely your privilege. On previous occasions where groups and individuals have done so we have on occasion modified our entries accordingly. But the opportunity is there should you choose to avail yourself of it (you will note here our inclusion of an invitation on the blog entry itself: “Any further information welcome”)

As for your declared intention to seek legal advice again that is entirely your prerogative. An essential however to any action for defamation (which we infer) is that it must be demonstrated that the criticism is false. The allegations are:-

  1. That members of the Linwood: Change Through Action BB [Big Book] Monday group sometimes refers to themselves as the “Black Panthers”;
  2. That members of the Linwood: Change Through Action BB [Big Book] Monday group identify themselves in meetings with both first name and surname;
  3. That members of the Linwood: Change Through Action BB [Big Book] Monday group berate the fellowship etc;
  4. That members of the Linwood: Change Through Action BB [Big Book] Monday attempt to change the format of existing AA meetings;
  5. That the “energy” of members of the Linwood: Change Through Action BB [Big Book] Monday is “very dark”;
  6. That you yourself (as a member of the Linwood: Change Through Action BB [Big Book] Monday are “miserable, controlling”.

The question is: are the above true or false?

An alternative tack would be “public disclosure of private facts” (where the truth of the statement may not be used as a defence). This arises where one person reveals information that is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person. It is difficult to envisage that a reasonable person would find the majority of the statements above offensive. Indeed the epithet “Black Panthers” might be regarded as a compliment in some circles (especially where it is apparently self-applied!). However we would admit that being “miserable” is hardly a matter for public concern but that “controlling” conduct certainly is (given the nature of our campaign)

(We must confess at this point we are somewhat puzzled by your reference to “a partner and kids” since we have made no mention of them in our original blog entry nor regard them as in any way relevant to our investigations. A cynic might infer that your introduction of them at this stage represents an attempt at deflection (a “red herring”) from the central issue)

Finally we thank you for warning us of your intentions. However we decline your invitation to remove the quote. Under no circumstances, moreover, would we disclose the identity of our correspondent as you request – or for that matter any other correspondent (although we do find it interesting – and perhaps significant – that you seem keen to seek such information since any action for defamation would necessarily be directed at us).

If however your email is simply an attempt on your part to silence criticism or evade exposure we can assure you now that it isn't going to work!

(our edits)

Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Your email (with the customary edits to preserve anonymity) together with our response will appear on the blog today”

Friday, 14 June 2013

Linwood: Change Through Action BB [Big Book] Monday


Tweedie Hall, Ardlamont Sq
Time: 20.00

The latest group to be brought to our attention (Paisley area -Scotland)

Quote:

“They have been known to call themselves 'The Black Panthers'. All members, when in the presence of their ''leader" Lindsay (miserable, controlling man) use both their name and surname.

They berate the fellowship for not carrying the right message and if given the chance will try to deliver a diatribe in the style of Joe Mac [Joe McQ – see Joe and Charlie on blog] minus the flowchart!

They also pop up in 2s and 3s and join struggling groups in which they then try and bring about a change in format which then alienates the majority of the fellowship.


The energy that comes off the members is very dark.

…...”

(our edits)

Comment: Any further information welcome

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Does anyone else find the new format online Where to Find as unhelpful as we do? Plus the site is still missing sections! Why?