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Friday, 11 October 2019
Questions and Answers on Sponsorship
Having given the AA preamble the 'once over' recently we thought we'd apply the same approach to the booklet “Questions and Answers on Sponsorship”. This piece of AA (conference approved) literature as you can see is available free online (as is most of our literature with the exception of various books (but see the “Big Book” (“Alcoholics Anonymous”) and the 12 Steps and 12 Traditions).
Sponsorship means many things to many people. Generally it has a benign impact but in the hands of the cult it has become a weapon of control, widely abused, and barely recognisable when compared with its exposition in AA literature (eg. “Alcoholics Anonymous” Chapter Seven - Working With Others, the above booklet etc). It's interesting to note that those groups (Roadies, Joys of Recovery, Back to Basics, Primary Purpose blah blah blah) who lay such stress (ad nauseam) on the benefits (even necessity) of sponsorship (or some kind of recovery 'expert') rarely if ever make reference to these texts (eg. Joe and Charlie in their so-called Big Book study virtually ignore the above chapter from the Big Book). The reasons why become clear when you contrast their approach with those recommended by AA generally. Fortunately anyone conversant with the relevant sections can easily avoid falling into the trap of being stuck with a cult control freak (and the nightmare that generally follows from such associations!), or, once “armed with the facts”, can extricate themselves without too much difficulty from the unwholesome clutches of these warped individuals. At this point we'd like to draw your attention to some important principles: Step Three; two of the three “pertinent ideas” b) and c) (BB, Chapter Five); Tradition 12 (as well as the section discussing Step Three in the Big Book):
Step 3: “Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.”
Note: This step does NOT say “Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over the care of our sponsor.”
Again in Chapter Five, How It Works (online edition, p. 60):
“(b) That probably no human power could have relieved our alcoholism;
(c) That God could and would if He were sought.”
(our emphases)
ie. “no human power” (including a sponsor) is going to sort this problem out. On the contrary it will require the intervention of a Greater Power (howsoever this may be conceived) to produce the required results.
Tradition 12:
“Twelve—Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our Traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.” (short form)
“12.—And finally, we of Alcoholics Anonymous believe that the principle of anonymity has an immense spiritual significance. It reminds us that we are to place principles before personalities; that we are actually to practice a genuine humility. This to the end that our great blessings may never spoil us; that we shall forever live in thankful contemplation of Him who presides over us all.” (long form)
(our emphases)
Again the principles of the fellowship and recovery programme are of far greater significance than any personal (and therefore necessarily partial) interpretation offered by the local 'guru', 'super sober', circuit speaker, Big Book 'expert' etc. Each member of AA is responsible for their OWN recovery and for no one else's. We repeat – no sponsor is going to fix you. Your recovery is dependent on you and your own conception of a Power greater than yourself.
Finally if you take a couple of minutes to read Step Three in the Big Book (Chapter Five, pp. 60-62) you will find a perfect description of a control freak in action
Since the booklet itself is some 32 pages long (and we're more than enthusiastic advocates of “Easy Does It” and “First Things First”!) we'll be dissecting it in easy stages over the next few weeks (commencing tomorrow).
Cheers
The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)
Friday, 12 October 2018
Brick Lane Big Book Study Saturday
We quote:
“Hello there,
Your site is invaluable and I'm so relieved I've found it. The development of cult-like behaviour and practices in AA is deeply concerning and I've seen the effects on vulnerable newcomer members first hand. I have a new meeting for your list, it's the 6pm Brick Lane Big Book Study Saturday meeting, in London.
The sponsorship and ideology that happens there is fundamentally cult, not AA. Newcomers are asked to find their part in things such as childhood abuse or domestic violence, told to cut off from old friends and family completely, mandated to attend certain meetings and if they don't, they're dumped as sponsees, and mandated to street step very early in the morning. They are made to work from a computer on worksheets and if they don't have Internet access or word processing programs they're told they don't want recovery enough. They're told to come off all their medications, and if seeking work, they have to run the jobs they're applying for past their sponsors first, as well as all other life changes. They have to check in with their sponsors multiple times a day, which again for destitute newcomers is impossible, as that requires phone credit. They're discouraged from attending meetings viewed as not strict enough or not carrying the AA message (in other words, all meetings apart from their meetings). They are silenced from sharing about depression or suicidal thinking as it is viewed as 'carrying the mess, not the message'. The people who have talked to me and other concerned members have found it incredibly hard to disclose, as the gaslighting and guilt tripping that goes on is deep and pervasive, such as being told they'll make people ill, destroy AA due to self will run riot, deny recovery to newcomers, and/or relapse and die, etc. Most members in East London who have been around long enough are aware of the practices in this group, and they even have a nickname. We suggest alternatives that occur at the same time, if newcomers express an interest in attending this meeting. Luckily, in London, we have 700+ meetings a week to choose from, but I feel extremely sad for members in other parts of the country who don't have as much of a choice, and just need a meeting.
This group frequents and run the service board for at least another two meetings in the East London area, and recruit from there too. I have only been to one of those meetings, in my early days, and I do not remember the message carried, but I do remember being denied a service position - it has since become clear that they fill service positions in their cult groups from within their sponsorship structure, and I already had a sponsor, therefore was more than likely viewed as not being one of the group (which I am now very grateful for). I have attended the Brick Lane one several times, however, and it seems evident that this is the mothership meeting for their practices.
I hope this meeting can go onto your list. I am happy to send the other two meetings as well if you think this is appropriate.
A grateful and concerned AA member”
Comment: The above pretty much summarises the activities of cult groups in AA. They come in a number of shapes and sizes ranging from the local 'guru' (usually self appointed) who's set up shop peddling his/her profound (?) insights into the AA programme based more often than not on an entirely idiosyncratic, overly literalistic, highly selective (cf. Tom and Jerry's …. sorry …. Joe and Charlie's daft series of lectures on the subject .. whatever did happen to Chapter 8 Working with Others ???) reading of the tome …. to complete franchise operations like the Road to Recovery, Primary Purpose and not forgetting of course (who could) Back to Basics (which is a nice little earner for its chief proponent Wally P) These aberrations are usually personality driven (see Tradition 12) propped up by an abusive 'sponsorship' hierarchy and entirely fear based. Should a new 'prospect' fail to comply with their new 'sponsor's' “suggestions” (?) the ultimate sanction is invoked ie. you'll drink again!! This is usually sufficient to bring them back 'into line'. Of course there's nothing mysterious at all about how AA works. Belief in any kind of divinity is entirely optional. The fundamental driving force behind AA is quite simply the fellowship, and the most evident example of AA's efficacy is the fact that people not only get sober but REMAIN sober for their entire lifetimes. This is an empirical and undeniable fact. The real power behind AA is the power of EXAMPLE... and preferably good example. Stick around people who stay drink free and who conduct themselves in a reasonably civilised fashion (ie. don't spend their time throwing their weight around and lecturing everyone in sight) and the chances are pretty good that you'll stay off the sauce as well. It really is that simple. How you practice the program or even which version you adopt is pretty much irrelevant. Being able to recite bits out of the Big Book really impresses nobody. It's a nice party trick perhaps but slightly boring after a while. Just put the drink down and get on with your life the best you can.. that's it!
Cheers
The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)
PS Thanks to our correspondent
Thursday, 13 October 2016
Missing a moral 'compass'?
Have
you ever encountered members who seem to have completely mislaid
their ethical or moral 'compass' (if they ever had one in the first
place)? You know the type ….. they'll happily lecture everyone else
on how to practise the programme 'right' and then do the precise
opposite themselves. People like David B (founder of the Joys of Recovery and its various offshoots -
didn't have a sponsor but insisted everyone else had to have one!),
David C
(took over the reins after the welcome demise of David B - a grade A
religious bigot and control freak – last seen down El Cerrito way
spreading the 'disease'!), Wayne P (sponsored by Clancy – a serial philanderer – he seems to
have a big problem keeping his trousers on), Clancy
(Pacific Group - likes to play the big shot with a sideline in
shaming others … in other words … a thug!), Wally P (a serial monogamist who runs Back to Basics – a nice little
earner), Joe and Charlie (Primary Purpose – yet more control freaks who
liked to bore AA members into recovery with their incessant
lecturing), Mike Quinones (serial sexual predator who ran the Midtown Groups – also sponsored by Clancy) not to mention AA's
innumerable (and growing) army of recovery 'experts' eagerly
mimicking their efforts as they busily rush about organising AA (?)
'workshops', churning out yet more audio files on so-called 'fast
track' recovery, each one desperately seeking the attention of anyone
with a few bucks to spare, and the poor judgement to pass them in
their direction...... You have! We thought so ….. And then you must
have wondered what kind of guy would behave like that? What must
possess them? Are they stupid? Or are they just sick.... or sicker
than the rest of us? Well wonder no more …. all will be revealed –
specifically Narcissistic Personality Disorder DSM-5 (pp. 9-10)
Cheers
The
Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)
PS
An update on our new campaign to be published shortly …. we've been very busy behind the
scenes!
Saturday, 13 August 2016
A new campaign
Well it's been fun but all good things must come to an end......well not really ….
We've been
going (in one form or another) since 2007... seems a helluva lot
longer! aacultwatch launched its Stop Press section (an early form of the blog format we later adopted) in that year with the
highly edifying (and attention grabbing) title “Debbie Does
Dallas”.....which proved to be highly popular (although rather
disappointing for those who expected something quite different!).....
Since then
we've attempted to raise awareness of cult activities in this country
(and others) with some modest success. But there are only so many
ways you can say the same thing (eg. Tradition Four does NOT imply unqualified group autonomy, 'sharing' your
experience does NOT mean 'directing', controlling, bullying
and abusing newcomers, Wayne P (Plymouth Road to Recovery CULT group) really SHOULD buy some braces to
stop his trousers from falling down, Clancy I is NOT to be taken seriously (even if he does!), Joe and Charlie did NOT produce a definitive interpretation of the
Big Book etc etc etc.....) and so we've decided to move on …. to
bigger and better things... Over the last few weeks we've been
preparing a new initiative. Whereas the aacultwatch campaign is
mostly aimed at AA members (especially newcomers) we've decided that
we needed to shift the focus somewhat. Our main concern has always
been the welfare of those who come to AA for help (ie. NOT to be
bullied). Over time we've come to the conclusion that Alcoholics
Anonymous itself is structurally incapable of reform. Since there is
no centralised authority any guidance offered with respect to
combating bullying etc is only as effective as its local
implementation. Unfortunately the latter is sorely lacking (with
some notable exceptions). Collective responsibility IS implied in
Tradition Four and yet there's seems to be a widespread reluctance to
apply that principle. More often than not unacceptable conduct
(especially where it has become effectively institutionalised ie.
cult groups) goes unchecked simply because no one is prepared to
grasp that particular nettle. The only effective way in which
newcomers can be protected, it seems, is to ensure that they are made
fully aware of the dangers they may encounter BEFORE they actually
attend AA meetings. Moreover many of the agencies currently referring
clients to AA (eg. probation service, treatment centres, GPs, etc)
may not be cognisant of these hazards. Unfortunately, and not
entirely unsurprisingly, the AA national website presents a somewhat
idealised version of the fellowship. For example in their FAQ
section (under Is it a cult?) the following is stated:
However
any newcomer who attends cult groups within AA in Great Britain will
very rapidly find themselves under considerable pressure to continue
with (only) those particular meetings, that “suggestions” very
quickly transmogrify into 'directions', and that finally there is
very little if any licence to “go their own way”. The official AA
'line' fails to acknowledge the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle)
dynamics of cult indoctrination. This is a reality that needs to be
communicated to potential members (as well as the aforementioned
referring agencies) if a truer picture of AA's actual operation is to
emerge.
Therefore,
to remedy this deficit, we will shortly be launching a national
campaign (and website) aimed directly at potential (and actual)
newcomers as well as a range of referring agencies (probation
service, health trusts, 12 Step treatment centres, GPs, employers etc
throughout Great Britain but including other interested parties: MPs,
local councils, various media, religious organisations etc). Our
objective will be to draw attention to the real benefits AA may
afford those who suffer from chronic alcohol addiction but not
omitting the dangers inherent in attending (some) AA meetings: in our
view to be forewarned is to be forearmed. This, of course, may result
in some individuals electing to seek help elsewhere. However there
exist a growing number of alternatives to AA both 'live' and online,
free and not free, including Smart Recovery, counselling,
psychotherapy, Stop Drinking ….. Priority should always be given to the welfare of
the individual rather than the reputation, deserved or not, of any
organisation (including AA).
The
existing aacultwatch site will remain 'live' but our activity will be
much reduced. However if anyone wishes to draw our attention to (and
potentially publicise) cult misconduct please do not hesitate to
contact us.
Finally we
would like to thank all our supporters (and various contributors)
past and present without whom aacultwatch would literally not exist!
Cheers
The Fellas
(Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)
Saturday, 27 June 2015
Conference questions not quite up to par! (contd)
43.
Would Conference consider updating the guideline on bullying and conduct in AA, as how AA members should best deal with being bullied or abused anonymously on the internet by AA members?
Background
There
are public internet websites in the UK run by UK AA members which
regularly name people in the UK fellowship who are identifiable to
all members in their regional area. The current guidelines do not
cover this eventuality.
Members attacked in this way are in an unfortunate position as the
internet is not only regional, but national. Also the attacks are by
anonymous people so there is no recourse for response. This seems to
be an
area not covered by the guidelines but one which is causing great
upset to a number of members, and disunity on a local and regional
level. This is not a local issue as the websites are usually not
written by AA members in a different area to that of the people they
are bullying. There is national input into these websites, and
national distribution.
Terms
of Reference No. 7 There have been several submissions covering this
topic and a question has been selected that encompasses all areas of
the subject matter with appropriate background material.
Comment:
As always there's a simple solution! If the bullies, abusers and
thugs who regularly appear on our blog discontinue their activities
then they will disappear from our site. If not we will continue to
publicise their names (and conduct) as widely as possible.... even
internationally! We are referring of course to Jon F, Alexis K, Wayne P [Road to Recovery cult group Plymouth], Wally P [Back to Basics franchise, con merchant], Wayne B [Step'n Ahead/Last Mile Foundation .. or whatever it's called these days
.. another con man], Harry K [aka Batman – coke head and control freak hailing from CA],
Harry A
[aka 'the Handbag', 'pill-head' and control freak, East Kent],
Richard E
[coke head and thug also hailing from CA], Billy
[the Kid, thug and control freak, Hampton Wick Friday, Esher
Saturday], David B [deceased – but not forgotten – founder of Joys of Recovery and various offshoots – control freak, tried to
manipulate his way on to the General Service Board - failed. See also
The Fix, AA Cults I Have Known], David C [heir to David B, bigot, control freak, co-publisher of various
cult websites, sponsor to Happy Dennis ['fruitcake in residence' Ealing]], Chris R, Myers R [US, both run the Primary Purpose franchise with a sideline in book-binding flogging
upmarket Big Book covers to the undiscerning punter], Joe and Charlie [self-proclaimed recovery 'experts' whose extremely
patchy (whatever did happen to Chapter 7?) 'Big Book study' has been
misinforming AA members for years], Clancy
[US, another control freak, Pacific Group 'guru', did a regular 'turn' at the Bristol Reunion, and 'anti beard' for some reason!], Mike Q(uinones) (US, Midtown
deceased – good riddance! Sexual predator, control freak etc)...
the list goes on.....We're sure we've missed a few other assorted
predators, abusers, paedophiles, perverts etc along the way but be sure to mail us
and we'll be happy to publicise your activities on the site. We
think you get our drift!
Cheers
The
Fellas (Friends
of Alcoholics Anonymous)
PS
For AA Minority Report 2013 click here
Saturday, 20 December 2014
For the attention of the Big Book 'Thumpers' (or 'Nutters' as we prefer to call them)....
The
sections they always seem to miss (including Joe and Charlie in their
so-called “Big Book study"!)
We
quote:
AA Big Book
“Practical experience
shows that nothing will so much insure immunity from drinking as
intensive work with other alcoholics. It works when other activities
fail. This is our twelfth suggestion: Carry this message to other
alcoholics! You can help when no one else can. You can secure their
confidence when other fail. Remember they are very ill.
Life will take on new
meaning. To watch people recover, to see them help others, to watch
loneliness vanish, to see a fellowship grow up about you, to have a
host of friends — this is an experience you must not miss. We know
you will not want to miss it. Frequent contact with newcomers and
with each other is the bright spot of our lives.
Perhaps you are not
acquainted with any drinkers who want to recover. You can easily find
some by asking a few doctors, ministers, priests or hospitals. They
will be only too glad to assist you. Don't
start out as an evangelist or reformer. Unfortunately a
lot of prejudice exists. You will be handicapped if you arouse it.
Ministers and doctors are competent and you can learn much from them
if you wish, but it happens that because of your own drinking
experience you can be uniquely useful to other alcoholics. So
cooperate; never criticize. To be helpful is our only aim.
When you discover a
prospect for Alcoholics Anonymous, find out
all you can about him. If
he does not want to stop drinking, don't waste time trying to
persuade him. You may spoil a later opportunity. This
advice is given for his family also. They should be patient,
realizing they are dealing with a sick person.
If there is any
indication that he wants to stop, have a good talk with the person
most interested in him —usually his wife. Get an idea of his
behavior, his problems, his background, the seriousness of his
condition, and his religious leanings. You need this information to
put yourself in his place, to see how you would like him to approach
you if the tables were turned.
Sometimes it is wise to
wait till he goes on a binge. The family may object to this, but
unless he is in a dangerous physical condition, it is better to risk
it. Don't deal with him when he is very drunk, unless he is ugly and
the family needs your help. Wait for the end of the spree, or at
least for a lucid interval. Then let his family or a friend ask him
if he wants to quit for good and if he would go to any extreme to do
so. If he says yes, then his attention should be drawn to you as a
person who has recovered. You should be described to him as one of a
fellowship who, as part of their own recovery, try to help others and
who will be glad to talk to him if he cares to see you.
If
he does not want to see you, never force yourself upon him.
Neither should the family hysterically plead with him to do anything,
nor should they tell him much about you. They should wait for the end
of his next drinking bout. You might place this book where he can see
it in the interval. Here no specific rule
can be given. The family must decide these things. But
urge them not to be over-anxious, for that might spoil matters.
Usually the family should
not try to tell your story. When possible, avoid meeting a man
through his family. Approach through a doctor or an institution is a
better bet. If your man needs hospitalization, he should have it, but
not forcibly unless he is violent. Let the doctor, if he will, tell
him he has something in the way of a solution.
When your man is better,
the doctor might suggest a visit from you. Though you have talked
with the family, leave them out of the first discussion. Under these
conditions your prospect will see he is under not pressure. He will
feel he can deal with you without being nagged by his family. Call on
him while he is still jittery. He may be more receptive when
depressed.
See
your man alone, if possible. At first engage
in general conversation. After a while, turn the talk to some phase
of drinking. Tell him enough about your drinking habits, symptoms,
and experiences to encourage him to speak of himself. If he wishes to
talk, let him do so. You will thus get a better
idea of how you ought to proceed. If he is not communicative, give
him a sketch or your drinking career up to the time you quit. But say
nothing, for the moment, of how that was accomplished. If
he is in a serious mood dwell on the troubles liquor has caused you,
being careful not to moralize or lecture. If his mood is
light, tell him humorous stories of your escapades. Get him to tell
some of his.
When
he sees you know all about the drinking game, commence to describe
yourself as an alcoholic. Tell him how baffled you were, how you
finally learned that you were sick. Give him
an account of the struggles you made to stop.
Show him the mental twist which leads to the first drink of a spree.
We suggest you do this as we have done it in the chapter on
alcoholism. If he is alcoholic, he will understand you at once. He
will match you mental inconsistencies with some of his own.
If you
are satisfied that he is a real alcoholic, begin to dwell on the
hopeless feature of the malady. Show him, from your own experience,
how the queer mental condition surrounding that first drink prevents
normal functioning of the will power. Don't,
at this stage, refer to this book, unless he has seen it
and wishes to discuss it. And be careful not
to brand him as an alcoholic. Let him draw his own conclusion.
If he sticks to the idea that he can still control his drinking, tell
him that possibly he can — if he is not too alcoholic. But insist
that if he is severely afflicted, there may be little chance he can
recover by himself.
Continue
to speak of alcoholism as an illness, a fatal malady. Talk about the
conditions of body and mind which accompany it. Keep
his attention focused mainly on your personal experience.
Explain that many are doomed who never realize their predicament.
Doctors are rightly loath to tell alcoholic patients the whole story
unless it will serve some good purpose. But you may talk to him about
the hopelessness of alcoholism because you offer a solution. You will
soon have you friend admitting he has many, if not all, of the traits
of the alcoholic. If his own doctor is willing to tell him that he is
alcoholic, so much the better. Even though your protege may not have
entirely admitted his condition, he has become very curious to know
how you got well. Let him ask you that question, if he will. Tell him
exactly what happened to you. Stress the spiritual feature freely. If
the man be agnostic or atheist, make it emphatic that he does not
have to agree with your conception of God. He can choose any
conception he likes, provided it makes sense to him.
The main thing is that he be willing to believe in a Power greater
than himself and that he live by spiritual principles.
When
dealing with such a person, you had better use everyday language to
describe spiritual principles. There is no use arousing any prejudice
he may have against certain theological terms and conceptions about
which he may already be confused. Don't raise such issues, no matter
what your own convictions are.
Your prospect may belong
to a religious denomination. His religious education and training may
be far superior to yours. In that case he is going to wonder how you
can add anything to what he already knows. But he well be curious to
learn why his own convictions have not worked and why yours seem to
work so well. He may be an example of the truth that faith alone is
insufficient. To be vital, faith must be accompanied by self
sacrifice and unselfish, constructive action.
Let him see that you are not there to
instruct him in religion. Admit that he probably knows
more about it than you do, but call to his attention the fact that
however deep his faith and knowledge, he could not have applied it or
he would not drink, Perhaps your story will help him see where he has
failed to practice the very precepts he knows so well. We represent
no particular faith or denomination. We are dealing only with general
principles common to most denominations.
Outline the program of
action, explaining how you made a self-appraisal, how you
straightened out your past and why you are now endeavoring to be
helpful to him. It is important for him to realize that your attempt
to pass this on to him plays a vital part in your recovery. Actually,
he may be helping you more than you are helping him. Make
it plain he is under no obligation to you, that you hope only that he
will try to help other alcoholics when he escapes his own
difficulties. Suggest how important it is that he place
the welfare of other people ahead of his own. Make it clear that he
is not under pressure, that he needn't see you again if he doesn't
want to. You should not be offended if he
wants to call it off, for he has helped you more than you have helped
him. If your talk has been sane, quiet and full of human
understanding, you have perhaps made a friend. Maybe you
have disturbed him about the question of alcoholism. This is all to
the good. The more hopeless he feels, the better. he will be more
likely to follow your suggestions.
Your
candidate may give reasons why he need not follow all of the program.
He may rebel at the thought of a drastic housecleaning which requires
discussion with other people. Do not contradict such views.
Tell him you once felt as he does, but you doubt whether you would
have made much progress had you not taken action. On your first visit
tell him about the Fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous. If he shows
interest, lend him your copy of this book.
Unless
your friend wants to talk further about himself, do not wear out your
welcome. Give him a chance to think it over. If
you do stay , let him steer the conversation in any direction he
like. Sometimes a new man is anxious to proceed at once,
and you may be tempted to let him do so. This is sometimes a mistake.
If he has trouble later, he is likely to say you rushed him. You
will be most successful with alcoholics if you do not exhibit any
passion for crusade or reform. Never talk down to an alcoholic from
any moral or spiritual hilltop; simply lay out the kit of
spiritual tools for his inspection. Show him how they worked with
you. Offer him friendship and fellowship. Tell him that if he wants
to get well you will do anything to help.
If he
is not interested in your solution, if he expects you to act only as
a banker for his financial difficulties or a nurse for his sprees,
you may have to drop him until he changes his mind. This he may do
after he gets hurts some more.
If
he is sincerely interested and wants to see you again, ask him to
read this book in the interval. After doing that, he must decide for
himself whether he wants to go on. He should not be pushed or prodded
by you, his wife, or his friends. If he is to find God, the desire
must come from within.
If he
thinks he can do the job in some other way, or prefers some other
spiritual approach, encourage him to follow his own conscience. We
have no monopoly on God; we merely have an approach that worked with
us. But point out that we alcoholics have much in
common and that you would like, in any case, to be friendly. Let it
go at that. Do not be discouraged if your prospect does not respond
at once. Search out another alcoholic and try again. You are sure to
find someone desperate enough to accept with eagerness what you
offer. We find it a waste of time to keep chasing a man who cannot or
will not work with you. If you leave such a person alone, he may soon
become convinced that he cannot recover by himself. To spend too much
time on any one situation is to deny some other alcoholic an
opportunity to live and be happy. One of our Fellowship failed
entirely with his first half dozen prospects. He often says that if
he had continued to work on them, he might have deprived many others,
who have since recovered, of their chance.
Suppose
now you are making your second visit to a man. He has read this
volume and says he is prepared to go through with the Twelve Steps of
the program of recovery. Having had the experience yourself, you can
give him much practical advice. Let him know you are available if he
wishes to make a decision and tell his story, but do not insist upon
it if he prefers to consult someone else.
He may
be broke and homeless. If he is, you might try to help him about
getting a job, or give him a little financial assistance. But you
should not deprive your family or creditors of money they should
have. Perhaps you will want to take the man into your home for a few
days. But be sure you use discretion. Be certain he will be welcomed
by your family, and that he is not trying to impose upon you for
money, connections, or shelter. Permit that and you only harm him.
You will be making it possible for him to be insincere. You may be
aiding in his destruction rather than his recovery.
Never
avoid these responsibilities, but be sure you are doing the right
thing if you assume them. Helping others is the foundation stone of
your recovery. A kindly act once in a while isn't enough. You have to
act the Good Samaritan every day, if need be. It may mean the loss of
many nights' sleep, great interference with your pleasures,
interruptions to your business. It may mean sharing your money and
your home, counseling frantic wives and relatives, innumerable trips
to police courts, sanitariums, hospitals, jails and asylums. Your
telephone may jangle at any time of the day or night. Your wife may
sometimes say she is neglected. A drunk may smash the furniture in
your home, or burn a mattress. You may have to fight with him if he
is violent. Sometimes you will have to call a doctor and administer
sedatives under his direction. Another time you may have to send for
the police or an ambulance. Occasionally you will have to meet such
conditions.
We
seldom allow an alcoholic to live in our homes for long at a time. It
is not good for him, and it sometimes creates serious complications
in a family.
Though
an alcoholic does not respond, there is no reason why you should
neglect his family. You should continue to be friendly to them. The
family should be offered your way of life. Should they accept and
practice spiritual principles, there is a much better change that the
head of the family will recover. And even though he continues to
drink, the family will find life more bearable.
For
the type of alcoholic who is able and willing to get well, little
charity, in the ordinary sense of the word, is need or wanted. The
men who cry for money and shelter before conquering alcohol, are on
the wrong track. Yet we do go to great extremes to provide each other
with these very things, when such action is warranted. This may seem
inconsistent, but we think it is not.
It is not the matter of
giving that is in question, but when and how to give. That often
makes the difference between failure and success. The minute we put
our work on a service plane, the alcoholic commences to rely upon our
assistance rather than upon God. He clamors for this or that,
claiming he cannot master alcohol until his material needs are cared
for. Nonsense. Some of us have taken very hard knocks to learn this
truth: Job or no job — wife or no wife — we simply do not stop
drinking so long as we place dependence upon other people ahead of
dependence on God.
Burn
the idea into the consciousness of every man that he can get well
regardless of anyone. The only condition is that he trust in God and
clean house.
Now, the domestic
problem: There may be divorce, separation, or just strained
relations. When your prospect has made such reparation as he can to
his family, and has thoroughly explained to them the new principles
by which he is living, he should proceed to put those principles into
action at home. That is, if he is lucky enough to have a home. Though
his family be at fault in many respects, he should not be concerned
about that. He should concentrate on his own spiritual demonstration.
Argument and fault-finding are to be
avoided like the plague. In many homes this is a difficult
thing to do, but it must be done if any results are to be expected.
If persisted in for a few months, the effect on a man's family is
sure to be great. The most incompatible people discover they have a
basis upon which they can meet. Little by little the family may see
their own defects and admit them. These can then be discussed in an
atmosphere of helpfulness and friendliness.
After they have seen
tangible results, the family will perhaps want to go along. These
things will come to pass naturally and in good time provided,
however, the alcoholic continues to demonstrate that he can be sober,
considerate, and helpful, regardless of what anyone says or does. Of
course, we all fall much below this standard many times. But we must
try to repair the damage immediately lest we pay the penalty by a
spree.
If there be divorce or
separation, there should be no undue haste for the couple to get
together. The man should be sure of his recovery. The wife should
fully understand his new way of life. If their old relationship is to
be resumed it must be on a better basis, since the former did not
work. This means a new attitude and spirit all around. Sometimes it
is to the best interests of all concerned that a couple remain apart.
Obviously, no rule can be laid down.
Let the alcoholic continue his program day by day. When
the time for living together has come, it will be apparent to both
parties.
Let no alcoholic say he
cannot recover unless he has his family back. This just isn't so. In
some cases the wife will never come back for one reason or another.
Remind the prospect that his recovery is not dependent upon people.
It is dependent upon his relationship with God. We have seen men get
well whose families have not returned at all. We have seen others
slip when the family came back too soon.
Both you and the new man
must walk day by day in the path of spiritual progress. If you
persist, remarkable things will happen. When we look back, we realize
that the things which came to us when we put ourselves in God's hands
were better than anything we could have planned. Follow the dictates
of a Higher Power and you will presently live in a new and wonderful
world, no matter what your present circumstances!
When working with a man
and his family, you should take care not to participate in their
quarrels. You may spoil your chance of being helpful if you do. But
urge upon a man's family that he has been a very sick person and
should be treated accordingly. You should warn against arousing
resentment or jealousy. You should point out that his defects of
character are not going to disappear over night. Show them that he
has entered upon a period of growth. Ask them to remember, when they
are impatient, the blessed fact of his sobriety.
If you have been
successful in solving your own domestic problems, tell the newcomer's
family how that was accomplished. In this way you can set them on the
right track without becoming critical of them. The story of how you
and your wife settled your difficulties is worth any amount of
criticism.
Assuming
we are spiritually fit, we can do all sorts of things alcoholics are
not supposed to do. People have said we must not go where liquor is
served; we must not have it in our homes; we must shun friends who
drink; we must avoid moving pictures which show drinking scenes; we
must not go into bars; our friends must hide their bottles if we go
to their houses; we mustn't think or be reminded about alcohol at
all. Our experience shows that this is not necessarily so.
We meet these conditions
every day. An alcoholic who cannot meet them, still has an alcoholic
mind; there is something the matter with his spiritual status. His
only chance for sobriety would be some place like the Greenland Ice
Cap, and even there an Eskimo might turn up with a bottle of scotch
and ruin everything! Ask any woman who has sent her husband to
distant places on the theory he would escape the alcohol problem.
In our belief any scheme
of combating alcoholism which proposes to shield the sick man from
temptation is doomed to failure. If the alcoholic tries to shield
himself he may succeed for a time, but usually winds up with a bigger
explosion than ever. We have tried these methods. These attempts to
do the impossible have always failed.
So our rule is not to
avoid a place where there is drinking, if we have a legitimate reason
for being there. That includes bars, nightclubs, dances, receptions,
weddings, even plain ordinary whoopee parties. To a person who has
had experience with an alcoholic, this may seem like tempting
Providence, but it isn't.
You will note that we
made and important qualification. Therefore, ask yourself on each
occasion, "Have I any good social, business, or personal reason
for going to this place? Or am I expecting to steal a little
vicarious pleasure from the atmosphere of such places?" If you
answer these questions satisfactorily, you need have no apprehension.
Go or stay away, whichever seems best. But be sure you are on solid
spiritual ground before you start and that your motive in going is
thoroughly good. Do not think of what you will get out of the
occasion. Think of what you can bring to it. But if you are shaky,
you had better work with another alcoholic instead!
Why sit with a long face
in places where there is drinking, sighing about the good old days.
If it is a happy occasion, try to increase the pleasure of those
there; if a business occasion, go and attend to your business
enthusiastically. If you are with a person who wants to eat in a bar,
by all means go along. Let your friends know they are not to change
their habits on your account. At a proper time and place explain to
all your friends why alcohol disagrees with you. If you do this
thoroughly, few people will ask you to drink. While you were
drinking, you were withdrawing from life little by little. Now you
are getting back into the social life of this world. Don't start to
withdraw again just because your friends drink liquor.
Your job now is to be at
the place where you may be of maximum helpfulness to others, so never
hesitate to go anywhere if you can be helpful. You should not
hesitate to visit the most sordid spot on earth on such an errand.
Keep on the firing line of life with these motives and God will keep
you unharmed.
Many
of us keep liquor in our homes. We often need it to carry green
recruits through a severe hangover. Some of us still serve it to our
friends provided they are not alcoholic. But some of us think we
should not serve liquor to anyone. We never argue this question. We
feel that each family, in the light of their own circumstances, ought
to decide for themselves.
We
are careful never to show intolerance or hatred of drinking as an
institution. Experience shows that such an attitude is not helpful to
anyone. Every new alcoholic looks for this spirit among us and is
immensely relieved when he finds we are not witchburners. A spirit of
intolerance might repel alcoholics whose lives could have been saved,
had it not been for such stupidity. We would not even do the cause of
temperate drinking any good, for not one drinker in a thousand likes
to be told anything about alcohol by one who hates it.
Some day we hope that
Alcoholics Anonymous will help the public to a better realization of
the gravity of the alcoholic problem, but we shall be of little use
if our attitude is one of bitterness or hostility. Drinkers will not
stand for it.
After all, our problems
were of our own making. Bottles were only a symbol. Besides, we have
stopped fighting anybody or anything. We have to!”
Cheers
The
Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)
PS
Our thanks to the US member for sending in this piece
Tuesday, 18 November 2014
General Service Conference-Approved Literature
“Service
Material from the General Service Office
“Conference-approved" - What It Means to You
The
term “Conference-approved” describes written or audiovisual
material approved by the Conference for publication by G.S.O. This
process assures that everything in such literature is in accord with
A.A. principles [see
Traditions].
Conference-approved material always deals with the recovery program
of Alcoholics Anonymous or with information about the A.A.
Fellowship.
The
term has no relation to material not published by G.S.O. It does not
imply Conference
disapproval of other material about A.A. A great deal of literature
helpful to alcoholics is published by others, and A.A. does not try
to tell any individual member what he or she may or may not read [a
fairly self-evident statement. Most people could probably work out
that one out by themselves. However such material would not have to
conform to AA principles eg. Primary Purpose material viz. the AA programme according to Joe and Charlie's so-called “Big Book study”, Wally P Back to Basics etc].
Conference
approval assures us that a piece of literature represents solid A.A.
experience [which
presumably doesn't imply that any non-Conference approved literature
doesn't represent solid AA experience – but then how would a
newcomer know that for example?]. Any
Conference-approved booklet or pamphlet goes through a lengthy and
painstaking process, during which a variety of A.A.s from all over
the United States and Canada read and express opinions at every stage
of production.
How
To Tell What Is and What Is Not Conference-Approved
Look
for the statement on books, pamphlets and audiovisual materials:
“This
is A.A. General Service Conference-approved literature”
Not
All “A.A. Literature” Is
Conference-Approved
Central
offices and intergroups do write and distribute pamphlets or booklets
that are not Conference-approved. If such pieces meet the needs of
the local membership, they may be legitimately classified as “A.A.
literature.” There is no conflict between A.A. World Services, Inc.
(A.A.W.S. – publishers of Conference-approved literature), and
central offices or intergroups – rather they complement each other.
The Conference does not disapprove of such material [we
have to assume that such material is subjected to the same degree of
rigorous inspection as that applied by AAWS – or do we? Moreover
this licence to publish such material – if it may be called that –
seems to fail to take into account Tradition Four ie. not only must it satisfy the needs of a “local
membership” it must also satisfy the requirement that the
respective publications produce no 'adverse' impact on “other
groups or AA as a whole”. Moreover see Traditions relating to
non-endorsement, non-affiliation etc. Those groups which use
non-conference approved literature emanating from outside sources are
effectively endorsing and aligning themselves with those same
entities eg. Primary Purpose, Back to Basics amongst others thereby
contributing to yet another breach of the Traditions].
G.S.O.
does develop some literature that does not have to be approved by the
Conference, such as Service Material, Guidelines and bulletins.
Available
at Most A.A. Groups
Most
local A.A. groups purchase and display a representative sampling of
Conference approved pamphlets, and usually carry a supply of
hardcover books. Conference approved literature may be available at
central offices and intergroups, or it may be ordered directly from
G.S.O. Groups normally offer pamphlets free of charge, and the books
at cost [but
see:
The Big Book makes a tidy little profit!]
Grapevine
and Conference Approval
An
often asked question is whether or not Grapevine is
“Conference-approved.” General Service Conference approval is a
lengthy review process that can take years for longer projects, with
several stages of committee evaluation along the way.
Since
Grapevine comes out 12 times a year, and the Conference meets only
once a year, the magazine would never come off the press if it had to
go through the Conference review process. However, the Conference has
always supported the concept of Grapevine and, in 1986, a Conference
Advisory Action specifically addressed the issue of Conference
approval for the first time with the following statement: “Since
each issue of (the) Grapevine cannot go through the Conference
approval process, the Conference recognizes (the) Grapevine as the
international journal of Alcoholics Anonymous.” In addition, the
Conference Charter guarantees the right
of Grapevine’s editor to accept or reject material for publication;
there is a Conference Committee on Grapevine, formed in 1954; and any
Grapevine or La Viña matter of importance to the Fellowship as a
whole is brought to the Conference through that committee.
So,
the concept of Grapevine has been endorsed by the Conference as a
whole and the use of Grapevine and its publications as recovery tools
has been encouraged throughout the Fellowship year after year
[however this does suggest - editorial
discretion notwithstanding - that information published in this
fashion should be treated with rather more circumspection than
approved literature. Grapevine, in particular, at one stage might
better have been described as the 'Plymouth (Road to Recovery) Echo' (cult group) so infested was it with
articles relating to their particular sponsorship-obsessed brand of
recovery!].
Copyright
Conference-approved
literature is copyrighted with the Copyright Office, Library of Congress, Washington, D.C., U.S.A. To insure
the continued integrity of A.A. literature, and to make sure the
A.A. recovery program will not be distorted or diluted,
permission to reprint must be obtained from A.A.W.S. in writing.
Permission to reprint Grapevine content must be obtained from A.A.
Grapevine, Inc. (AAGV) in writing [but see
copyright law,
in particular Fair Use and Fair Dealing].
However,
A.A. newsletters, bulletins, or meeting lists have blanket permission
to use the material, providing proper credit is given to insure that
the copyrights of A.A. literature are protected. Please visit
aagrapevine.org http://www.aagrapevine.org/website-policy
for the copyright and reprint policy that applies to AAGV,
Inc. content.
The
A.A. Preamble is copyrighted by A.A. Grapevine, Inc. (not by A.A.
World Services). Beneath it, these words should appear: “Reprinted
with permission of A.A. Grapevine, Inc.” The Steps and Traditions
should be followed by these words: “Reprinted with permission
of A.A. World Services, Inc.””
[but
see Fair Use above]
(our
emphases)(our observations in red print)
Cheers
The
Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)
Sunday, 2 November 2014
How NOT to carry the AA message (Ã la Joe and Charlie)
Extracts
from the aacultwatch forum (old)
“........
The following extracts from Joe McQ’s “Carry This Message – A
Guide to Big Book Sponsorship” disturb me because A.A. sponsors do
not have a right to pressure, teach, coerce or discipline newcomers.
We are all equals in A.A. A newcomer to A.A. has an equal status to
his/her sponsor. A.A. sponsors simply share their experience strength
and hope with newcomers on a basis of mutual need. Whether or not a
newcomer decides to take the steps and when, where, how, and with
whom, is entirely up to them to decide for themselves and it is not
for anyone else to decide for them. The A.A. program is based purely
on attraction. I think the influence of Joe’s McQ’s sponsorship
guide has a lot to do with newcomers leaving A.A. and it has a lot to
do with the associated bad press which accuses A.A. of cult-like
behaviour. I find the following extracts from Joe McQ’s book
disturbing because they give any power driven narcissist a green
light to go and find someone to bully and control. They are the exact
opposite values to the equality given to every A.A. member that is
expressed in A.A. literature concerning sponsorship.
Extracts
from “Carry This Message – A Guide to Big Book Sponsorship” by
Joe McQ published 1990, August House Inc:
“There
wasn’t as much pressure- there wasn’t such a desperate need –
to coerce him or her into thoroughly working the steps. (Page 3)
“Without
the ‘coercion’ of being sold on these ideas, we have the
phenomenon of people doing strange things like taking one step a
year…” (Page 4)
“As
sponsors we know, there are certain things we require of a sponsoree…
… … he has to carry out his assignments and do the things you ask
him to do” (page 25).
“… … we
are working with an undisciplined person. Assignments should be
given, and the sponsor should make it clear to the person that
assignments have to be done by a specific time…..there are certain
things we require of a sponsoree… … He has to carry out his
assignments and do the things you ask him to do … … Dr. Bob said
‘Get down on your knees.’ And they took step 3… … But an
alcoholic can do just about anything you make her do. If you insist
that she do certain things, she’ll get them done. She has to go
from the undisciplined to the disciplined… … At our treatment
centre, Serenity Park, we require all the clients get a sponsor
within the third week… The sponsor teaches discipline… …
everything is working on this undisciplined person… …. An
undisciplined person may fight discipline, but it has to be enforced
to help the person….” (Pages, 26, 27)
"You
can’t just say to the sponsoree ‘go start on your inventory’
because it might take him a month, maybe two. Create a schedule
by saying something like, ‘We are going to work on resentments for
two days’ then do the other inventories similarly, with a schedule
for each one which doesn’t allow the sponsoree to skimp, but moves
him or her along at a good pace….(Step Four assignment).
"You
need to move your sponsoree along pretty fast…. but you need to
keep the sponsoree busy and keep her moving… you should just move
him right on through them bam, bam, bam, bam. Keep the momentum…..”
(Page 65)
“Remember
that all the people in our fellowship groups are not really
alcoholics… … … They aren’t really alcoholics – because an
alcoholic can’t do that. They don’t usually stay; they just come
in an out of our fellowship. But they don’t have a message to
share…..” (Page 65)
Contrary
to Joe McQ’s sponsorship, there are absolutely no requirements to
AA membership other than a desire to stop drinking. No AA sponsor has
the authority to say to a newcomer that he/she ‘has’ to do
anything. There is no requirement for a newcomer to take the steps in
any conventional sense or to have a sponsor, as Bill W. is quoted
below: “All people having an alcohol problem who wish to get rid of
it and make a happy adjustment to their lives, become A.A. members by
simply associating with us. Nothing but sincerity is asked of
anyone.”
“For
example, The Twelve Steps of our AA program are not crammed down
anybody’s throat. They are not sustained by any human authority.”
(Bill W. Extract, “Rules’ Dangerous but Unity vital” The
Language of the Heart p 8. AA Grapevine September 1948)
“One
of the great insights Dr. Bob and I shared was that all true
communication must be founded on mutual need. Never could we talk
down to anyone, certainly not another alcoholic. We saw that each
sponsor would have to admit his own needs, as clearly as those of his
prospect. Here was the foundation of A.A.’s Twelfe Step to
recovery, the Step in which we carry the message.” (Bill W. 1953,
extract, ‘The Language of the Heart’; The Language of the Heart p
247)
“I
was no longer a teacher or a preacher.” Bill W. (Bill
W. extract, A Fragment of History: Origin Of The Twelve Steps, AA
Grapevine July 1953, The Language of the Heart p 199)
“You
see, our talk was a completely mutual
thing
“I had quit preaching, I knew I needed this alcoholic as much as he
needed me.” (Bill W. Alcoholics Anonymous Come of Age p 70)
“History
has shown that whatever their several merits, neither preaching nor
moralizing has ever made much impression on alcoholics as a whole.”
(Bill W. Extract’ On the Alcoholism Front’ AA Grapevine March
1958, The Language of the Heart p186)
“4.
It was discovered that all forms of coercion, both direct and
indirect, had to be dropped. We found that ‘checking’ in the
hands of amateurs too often resulted in criticism, and that resulted
in resentment, which is probably the most serious problem the average
alcoholic is troubled with….
6
….. We can never say to anyone (or insinuate) that he must agree to
our formula or be excommunicated. The atheist may stand up in an A.A.
meeting denying God, yet reporting how he has been helped in other
ways….
7.
In order to carry the principle of inclusiveness and tolerance still
further, we make no religious requirement of anyone. All people
having an alcohol problem who wish to get rid of it and make a happy
adjustment to their lives, become A.A. members by simply associating
with us. Nothing but sincerity is asked of anyone. In this
atmosphere the orthodox, unorthodox, and the unbeliever mix happily
and usefully together.” (Bill W. Extracts, letter 1940, Pass
it On p 171-173)
Questions
and Answers on AA Sponsorship:
http://www.aa.org/pdf/products/p-15_Q&AonSpon.pdf”
Cheers
The
Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)
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