Polonius:
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell, my blessing season this in thee!
Laertes:
Most humbly do I take my leave, my lord.
Hamlet Act 1, scene 3, 78–82
Extract from the aacultwatch forum (old):
"Hi …....,
Thank
you for your contribution. I would like to comment on something
important you said in your post. If you will allow me to quote
you :
"....he
pointed out that in a group such as joys your given a group identity.
The trobel with that is you dont really know you you are with out
that group. Your given an identity which is more what th group wants
you to be insted opposed to a better version of who I am is
an unique individual. I was sort of like a clone. "
You
have a very interesting insight into the dangers of being
involved in cults like Joys/Vision/RTR etc. I have heard that some in
AA think that is it is ok to be in a cult, and "whats the big
deal?". I beg to differ. And here is why.
What
exactly does "recovery" mean? For me, it means to recover
something that was lost. To get back something. When I was drinking I
lost sobriety, yes. I also lost peace of mind, and gradually, over
the years of progressive drinking, I lost my jobs, hobbies,
interests, relationships, family, and even my identity. I didn't know
who or what I was at the end of my drinking. I was either drunk
as a skunk and numb in the brain, or hungover wishing I was dead.
Recovery,
for me, has not just been about putting down the drink. It has been
about RECOVERING ALL that was lost as a result of my drinking.
Thus - returning to work, developing hobbies, finding interests,
social involvements, emotional development, sex and romance, study,
improving relationships with family and friends etc- all has been
part of the recovery process. My identity is part of that. Finding
out who I am as an individual, what my values and beliefs really are,
and what interests me, what inspires me, and what I want to do with
my life. In order to achieve this I need freedom from
alcohol and freedom of conscience and action. In the cults this is
not really possible.
Yes,
a cult member may be free from alcohol, but have they really
"recovered" in the full sense of the word ?? In many
cases I would say no. Talking "group-speak" all the time;
having to live your life on the say-so of a sponsor; only being
allowed to feel "happy" feelings or think "joyful"
thoughts etc. - this is not learning to have one's own identity,
process emotions in a healthy way or developing into
an individual human being. In fact it is the reverse. It is
abandoning responsibility for being an individual human being.
During
my involvement with the Vision cult, I became alienated from non-cult
friends, I lost interest in many of my hobbies - in fact I dropped
some of them altogether because I was told they were not "spiritual"
enough. I became intolerant of people who didn't work the same
"program" as I was working. I became cut off from the
mainstream of AA. I became arrogant and narcissistic - wanting
sponsees to be carbon copies of me. I became obese. I also became a
liar - saying that I was "happy joyous and free" when
inwardly and secretly I was not happy with myself at all. Not
surprising ! How can anyone be happy when they are not really being
themselves and not being true to themselves?! I was too scared
to be myself because the Vision cult dogma inferred that I would
be being "self-centred" and would drink if I didn't
tow the line.
Of
course this was all fear based and unfounded cult rubbish. One
of the happiest and most constructive days of my life was when I left
the VIsion cult and walked out of the gates of St Peter's Eaton
Square for the last time. I bless that day. For although I was sober,
and had been for a long time at that point, I was still living in
fear and not being true to myself. I had not yet fully
"recovered" that which I had lost - my identity, my
individuality, my humaness, - all that makes me what I am.
This
all happened over 10 years ago now. I regard it as my "second
spiritual awakening". Since I left Vision, life has had its ups
and downs - because that is called NORMALITY.
The slogans and group-think of Vision's, Joys etc try to shame
normality in order to belittle, manipulate and control. ("Misery
is optional" and "I've never had a bad day" are
normality-shaming slogans. Have you ever heard normal people in day
to day life say things like that?)
Cult
involvement is very dangerous and can seriously damage your mental,
physical, emotional and spiritual life. This is my
experience.......”
The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)
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