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Thursday, 31 October 2013

Narcissistic Personality Disorder (contd)


Inferiors Wanted: Apply to the Narcissist

The narcissist is attracted to people that are inferior to him. Associating with these people makes the narcissist feel superior and confident that he can maintain his narcissist supply and control his supply. Although, he would like to socialize with the high status people whose names he frequently drops, these individuals will seldom tolerate the narcissist's inappropriate behavior for any length of time and in actuality these individuals evoke fear in the narcissist. People with a true sense of self, greater wealth, higher education, higher status, better looks, or greater intelligence make the narcissist anxious although he would never admit it. The narcissist feels a great repulsion for his equals. He sees these people as a possible source of narcissistic injury. He knows also that these people will not be around long because he is unable to hold their interest. His depth of knowledge in any subject is limited and his main topic of conversation centers on himself.

The narcissist preys on those that have a need for him and he exploits them endlessly. A homeless person who needs a home which the narcissist can supply is abundant prey for the narcissist. Those individuals whose intellectual pursuits are limited are easy victims. People who are inferior to him are easier for the narcissist to control and manipulate. He is better able with these people to be the center of attention--one of his main quests in life. As long as they have a need for the narcissist, he knows that they will be around to give him narcissistic supply.

The narcissist is completely aware that these people are inferior to him, but in order for him to associate with them he must give these inferiors special qualities. The elements of these qualities are not present, but are a part of the narcissist's fantasy world. The narcissist may assign to a drug addict a high IQ to prove to others that this individual is worthy of his association. Since the narcissist is a pathological liar by nature, he will back his tale up with some form of validation. He must be able to say, "I associate with him because..."

The narcissist must hear the words, "You are great, wonderful, funny, the smartest man alive." He knows that he will never hear these words from his superiors or his equals. But, if his inferiors need him for something, they will easily verbalize these words. He knows his inadequacies and he knows that he can't fool his superiors or equals for long.

The narcissist will also use his inferiors as a source for obtaining narcissistic supply. For instance, if someone is known to attract people that might be of benefit to the narcissist, the narcissist will befriend that person using him or her as a means to acquire narcissistic supply. A narcissist knows no limits when he searches for narcissistic supply and a narcissist is only in a state of satisfaction when he has narcissistic supply. Sadly, the tendency for the narcissist to secure narcissistic supply from his inferiors can make those living around the narcissist feel uncomfortable. A stream of undesirable characters is likely to flow through their life.

However, those that the narcissist secure as narcissistic supply do not always have to be inferior in statue. The narcissist seeks those that are gullible. They must be gullible enough to believe the narcissist's pathological lies, his self-aggrandizement, or must be vulnerable in some way that the narcissist will be able to use them to enhance his own needs. So the narcissist does not always use those of inferior statue as a supply. Therefore, there might not be the ever-flowing stream of undesirables, but individuals who are gullible or in some way enhance the ego of the narcissist.

The problem with being the narcissist's supply of adoration is that it does not come without verbal abuse and negation. In the end the narcissist will verbally abuse his supply in such a manner that if they do not need him excessively he will run his supply off. This is what the narcissist fears most--the lost of his supply. Unfortunately the narcissist is a narcissist and, therefore, is incapable of being anything but a narcissist. In the end he accomplishes what he fears most--losing his narcissistic supply. The narcissist is also so paranoid that it is difficult for others to withstand his paranoid episodes. All things considered, usually the greatest amount of time that anyone can take the narcissist's paranoia and the abuse dispensed by the narcissist is two-three months. Then his supply needs a break.

It is not unusual for the narcissist when he realizes that he is losing his supply to change courses. He might mimic actions which indicate that he cares about the supply in order to bring his supply back to him. The important word here is mimic. Since the narcissist's emotions are so deeply repressed, he does not know how to react consciously with his emotions. What he is reacting to is fear--the fear of losing his narcissistic supply. He has, however, watched others over the course of his life demonstrate emotion. Therefore, he might say certain words or behave in such a manner that indicates he has emotions. These are only transit periods and should not in anyway be taken to mean that the narcissist is demonstrating genuine emotions for his supply. His supply will always be just an object. Objects can easily be thrown away and he knows this. But, it is much easier for him to keep a supply than it is for him to go out looking for another source of supply. He simply wants to bring his supply back into his control. Then the vicious cycle will begin again.

The narcissist seeks to evoke reactions in others. The narcissist's supply does not always have to provide him with positive attention. If the narcissist is able to invoke negative emotions in someone then that is fine with him. As long as he can trigger an individual to respond to either his behavior or his verbalizations then he is satisfied. He desires attention whether it is positive or negative.

The narcissist is not in touch with his emotions. Therefore, he does not care how he hurts others. He does not see others as human beings with feelings and needs. He has no empathy for others and cares only for himself. The narcissist never completely lets go of any individual he has found that can provide him with narcissistic supply until he finds that he can no longer stir up any type of sensation in that person whether it be positive or negative. Only then will the narcissist let go. Or, if the narcissist finds a better source of narcissistic supply he will quickly throw you away.”


Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Wednesday, 30 October 2013

aacultwatch forum


Extract from our forum: http://forums.delphiforums.com/aacultwatch underPlymouth R2R infiltrating other 12-step” 

"I think the evidence is there in the field of sociology that these cults are targeting 12 step fellowships in general. The religious orientation of the cults and the influence they have had in changing the nature of groups are now deterring social workers from referring clients to 12 step fellowships unless they explicitly identify themselves as Christian. 

This is an extract from a paper titled “Addiction, spirituality and 12-step programmes” by Dr. W. Dosset, senior lecturer in religious studies at Chester University.

Research has shown that there is a resistance to referring individuals to TSPs [Twelve Step Programmes] because of the apparent religious nature of the programmes (as well as for other reasons) and social workers may consider them inappropriate for clients other than those  explicitly identifying as Christian and would not wish to risk imposing religious beliefs and practices upon them. (Caldwell, 1999, Kurtz and Chambon, 1987, Laudet,2003) ( Addiction, spirituality and 12-step programmes, Dossett W, International Social Work, 56(3) 369–383)

These are extracts from a book titled “Take Back Your Life, Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships” by Professor J. Lalich, Professor of Sociology at California State University; a textbook used by professionals working in cult rehabilitation.

There are cults, for example, that focus their recruitment activities in drug-rehabilitation programs, Alcoholics Anonymous, and other twelve-step programs, as that milieu tends to be a ripe hunting ground for potential members.” ( Take Back Your Life: Recovering From Cults And Abusive Relationships" p 91)

In cases where alcohol or substance abuse was or is a problem, attending meetings of Alcoholics Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous may help. However, we caution you to proceed into the 12-step world with your eyes open and your antennae up. Despite its successes, this is an area rife with abuses and incompetencies. Hustlers use 12-step programs as a hunting ground for income and glory. Some counselors and group leaders are not credentialed. Some programs are fronts for cults. Even a well-meaning program may inadvertently promote long-term victimization. Although these groups are set up to reduce codependency, many participants become completely dependent on their 12-step meetings and friends.” ( Take Back Your Life: Recovering From Cults And Abusive Relationships" p194)
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I think the faith based neo Oxford Group cult phenomena is something all 12 step fellowships are going to have to adjust to and protect against if 12 step fellowships are to survive in the long term. If there’s no opposition to the cults then they’ll just take over as more and more people leave the fellowships and fewer people are referred to them by professionals."

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Tuesday, 29 October 2013

Conference Questions (2013) forum discussion (contd)



Question 2:

Would the Fellowship discuss, share experience and make recommendations whether, throughout AA's service structure, members of special interest groups are sufficiently represented?

[See also: The Traditions, Preamble and Concepts]

Extracts:

......- you have a penchant for quoting very liberally from literature, both relevant (Traditions, A.A. Comes Of Age, etc.), and sometimes less so. Just because an article has been published in The Grapevine does not make it gospel. Quite frankly, it is a long time since I have read such tosh. It was nonsense in 1946, and is outdated nonsense in 2013.

We have had three women's groups start up in our area during the last couple of years. In order to comply with our local requirements (for inclusion in our local meetings list) two of them have defined themselves as "non-restrictive". The third is held in a women's refuge into which men are not admitted. Considerable heartsearching took place at the relevant intergroup to decide whether or not this group should be included and the final decision to include it was based essentially on the fact that the group would continue to meet regardless of the approval or otherwise of intergroup, and that, on balance, it was better "in the fold" than out. One of the three has subsequently died through lack of women.”

Comment: Yet another rationalisation (see previous conference question extract) exemplifying the unprincipled indeed hypocritical stance of these 'special interest' groups exacerbated thereafter by an entirely supine response from the local intergroup. A dramatic display of handwringing followed by capitulation on the grounds that they “would continue to meet regardless of the approval or otherwise of intergroup” hardly constitutes 'leadership' in any degree but rather a complete abdication of responsibility (so much for Tradition Four). And these are the guardians of AA tradition? We think not! Such groups should rather be encouraged to function outside the ambit of AA, and discouraged from referring to themselves as AA groups (according to our traditions). There can no objection whatsoever to all manner of recovery groups setting themselves up according to any format they like so long as they don't appropriate the AA name to gain further credibility for their activities. This is simply a form of parasitism.

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Monday, 28 October 2013

Court mandated attendance (CMA). The Maryland (US) experience


D.W.I.’S and Court Slips in AA Meetings. A Report on the Experience of the Maryland Area of Alcoholics Anonymous, Maryland General Service, PO Box 788, Waldorf, MD 20601, February 9, 1987

(Note: DWI or DUI - “Driving while intoxicated” or “driving under the influence”).

We have already received much information in relation to the adverse impact this policy was and is having on AA (see here and here). One has to wonder for how much longer the fellowship is going to continue making these mistakes before it remembers to abide by its own traditions Here is yet another example of why they exist!

Continued participation by AA in the CMA (or 'chit') system breaches the following traditions:

Long form:

"3.—Our membership ought to include all who suffer from alcoholism. Hence we may refuse none who wish to recover. Nor ought A.A. membership ever depend upon money or conformity. Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an A.A. group, provided that, as a group, they have no other affiliation.

4.—With respect to its own affairs, each A.A. group should be responsible to no other authority than its own conscience. But when its plans concern the welfare of neighboring groups also, those groups ought to be consulted. And no group, regional committee, or individual should ever take any action that might greatly affect A.A. as a whole without conferring with the trustees of the General Service Board. On such issues our common welfare is paramount. 

6.—Problems of money, property, and authority may easily divert us from our primary spiritual aim. We think, therefore, that any considerable property of genuine use to A.A. should be separately incorporated and managed, thus dividing the material from the spiritual. An A.A. group, as such, should never go into business. Secondary aids to A.A., such as clubs or hospitals which require much property or administration, ought to be incorporated and so set apart that, if necessary, they can be freely discarded by the groups. Hence such facilities ought not to use the A.A. name. Their management should be the sole responsibility of those people who financially support them. For clubs, A.A. managers are usually preferred. But hospitals, as well as other places of recuperation, ought to be well outside A.A.—and medically supervised. While an A.A. group may cooperate with anyone, such cooperation ought never go so far as affiliation or endorsement, actual or implied. An A.A. group can bind itself to no one.

10.—No A.A. group or member should ever, in such a way as to implicate A.A., express any opinion on outside controversial issues—particularly those of politics, alcohol reform, or sectarian religion. The Alcoholics Anonymous groups oppose no one. Concerning such matters they can express no views whatever.”

(our emphases)

Also:

From a research report conducted for and published by the DWP (under Conclusions and Recommendations): 

6.4.3 Mandation to treatment

Findings regarding the merits of linking benefit receipt to engagement with treatment were varied. We identified a small amount of relevant evidence on this issue from the literature, all of it from the US. What this literature tells us is that firstly, the receipt of benefits does not encourage or increase alcohol dependency (Stevenson, 2002). Alcohol misuse can cause unemployment which may result in being on benefits, but it is not the benefit receipt in itself that causes or escalates alcohol misuse. Secondly, the US experience suggests that when treatment is a mandated part of welfare receipt, more adults with substance misuse problems do engage with it than would otherwise be the case (Schwartz et al., 2004). However, termination of benefits for those who fail to comply with a treatment regime can have negative consequences (in terms of health and homelessness, for example) particularly in the short term (Schwartz et al., 2004).  

Findings from our qualitative research suggest that mandating treatment as a condition of benefit receipt may be counterproductive. The professionals we interviewed stated that the threat or actual loss of benefits (i.e. moving from one benefit to another, appealing a decision about eligibility) was a trigger to relapse for some of their clients. They and clients felt that compulsion was likely to be counterproductive. Individuals need to be motivated to engage with services and motivation is an important determinant of successfully completing treatment. In our view, therefore, there is inadequate evidence from either the literature or qualitative research to support the view that making treatment a condition of benefit receipt would improve treatment outcomes for clients or result in more alcohol misusers re-entering employment.”

(our emphases)

Source: Alcohol misusers’ experiences of employment and the benefit system. Research report No. 718 DWP 

Comment: Now what was that definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results (Albert Einstein) . Also from Albert: Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former …. and …...The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.

So do something about it!

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Saturday, 26 October 2013

Narcissistic Personality Disorder (contd)


Behaviors of the Narcissist

If you have reached this page then you have an interest in NPD. By now you've probably surfed through numerous web pages. Some of these pages were understandable, some were complicated, and some were intellectually challenging.

Listed below is a list of behaviors, moods, and defense mechanisms used by the narcissist that will make understanding NPD easier. Parts of this list are based on the five-factor model of personality for Compensatory NPD.

MOODS

1. Chronic (long term) negative effects: anxious, fearful, tense, irritable, angry
2. Rapidly shifting moods: a narcissist's mood changes daily

BEHAVIOURS

1. Inability to control impulses: eating, drinking, gambling, spending money, etc.
2. Overly concerned about health (somatic: imagined illnesses): the narcissist is unable or refuses to stick to a diet, exercise plan or any other medical regime recommended for him by a physician (except in the case of pill taking). A narcissist usually adheres to taking meds recommended but this doesn't take much effort on his part.
3. Excessive talking: leads to inappropriate self-disclosure as well as exposure about anything he knows or preceives about others
4. Evokes fear in others: the web of mystery that the narcissist spins around himself makes others leary of him
5. Inability to spend time alone: he doesn't care who he spends time with just so he isn't alone
6. Overly dramatic presentation of emotion: could well be known as the "drama" queen or king (negative emotions), exaggerates the importance of his experiences
7. Inappropriate attempts to dominate and control others: a narcissist is demanding, expects to be treated "special," and thinks everyone should immediately stop what they are doing to do what he wants them to do
8. Selfishness: he thinks of himself first, gets what he wants, and the heck with anyone else
9. Lack of practicality: a narcissist does not know what the word practical means
10. Jealous and envious: ridicules the achievements of others
11. Paranoid thinking: inability to trust friends or family. A narcissist has a tendency to trust people he has just met and tends to be paranoid about people he should trust.
12. A sense of time urgency: is impatient
13. Socially rebellious and does not conform to societal expectations: may lead to problems with the law or cause vocational problems
14. Quarrelsomeness: ready to pick a fight at any time. The narcissist wants attention whether it is positive or negative so quarreling is as good a way to get attention as anything else.
15. Exploitive and manipulative: lies, is rude to others, verbally abusive especially to the opposite sex, alienates friends, hold on to your money
16. Inflated and grandiose sense of self: arrogant
17. Shallow: in depth conversations are impossible with a narcissist. The narcissist's conversations center around himself.
18. Attention seeking: wants to be the center of attention and will do anything to achieve this (may dress in a different or absurd way or behave ridiculously)
19. Lack of interest in and empathy with others: don't expect him to feel sorry for you no matter what he does to you
20. Narcissistic rage: directed toward anyone who injures an NPD individual's self-esteem
21. Underachievement: poor academic performance relative to ability or vocational functioning
22. Infidelity: has difficulty remaining with one partner sexually
23. Assumes the identity of those with whom he associates: since he does not have a true picture of his self, he assumes the morals, values, and beliefs of others. A narcissist will change morals, values, and beliefs overnight; if it benefits him in some way.
24. Lazy: expects others to do for him what he could do for himself
25. Does not accept blame: blames everyone else for his problems
26. Irrational beliefs: unrealistic expectations of others to fill the needs of the narcissist, perfectionist demands on self (a narcissist usually tries so hard to be perfect he bungles everything up), unwarranted pessimism about everything and everybody
27. Fantasizes: preoccupied with fame, wealth, and achievement. The narcissist acts out his fantasy through words or actions.
28. Problems with aging or disabilities: a narcissist has difficulty with being confined
29. Loves his reflection: expect to see a lot of mirrors hanging in the narcissist's house
30. Entitlement: believes that everything is due them. The narcissist just doesn't think the rules apply to him
31. Hit and run relationships: the narcissist tends to go through relationships rapidly--a narcissist can only hold it together for 3-4 months tops”


Cheers

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS Our thanks to the member who sent in this extract

Not just pointed heads but .....!


Be careful cult members! This could happen to you too!


 Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Friday, 25 October 2013

Alcohol research


Alcoholism and the Archetypal Past, Thune CE, Journal of Studies on Alcohol, Vol.38 (l), 75-88, 1977

Summary. The stereotypic A.A. member ' s life story becomes a model of his past and a model for the reanalysis and re-education of his life.

Basic to any rehabilitation effort, whether medical, psychological or sociological, is a series of assumptions about the nature and structure of "therapy. " These assumptions define the project to be undertaken and the goals to be sought, which, in turn, are grounded in more fundamental presuppositions about the structure of reality, the nature of the self, and the meaning of behavior. And as suppositions, they tend not to be explicitly formulated by participants nor recognized by observers; rather they normally are taken as "given" or in the "order of things.''

It is no accident that the therapeutic program of Alcoholics Anonymous challenges the conventional medical, psychological and sociological concepts of causation, and that it ignores the findings and questions of specialists in these fields. Its roots lie less in the sciences than in such nonpositivist, quasirevivalistic, "transcendental" efforts as the Oxford Group Movement. To attempt to understand A.A. on an analytic and positivist model obscures its uniqueness.”

Conclusion

A.A.'s "treatment," then, involves the systematic manipulation of symbolic elements within an individual's life to provide a new vision of that life, and of his world. This provides new coherence, meaning and implications for behavior. While the processes which have been discussed above clearly occurred in the groups investigated, the literature indicates that similar patterns exist in other A.A. groups. Indeed, any alcoholism treatment program must successfully demonstrate to the alcoholic that he is an alcoholic, or, more exactly, it must succeed in allowing the alcoholic to demonstrate this fact to himself. This seems possible only if the alcoholic himself can discover a new past to confirm what ultimately must be a self-diagnosis. I suggest that even in systems operating according to principles different from A.A.'s, one of the therapeutic requirements is the presentation of a new model which defines self and world. These suggestions, however, should not be taken as contradictions of the conclusions reached by other analytic perspectives. Rather, they are intended to provide phenomenological perspective which complements other perspectives such as those offered by medicine, sociology and psychology. It is the summation of these different but clearly complementary perspectives, rather than academic arguments over which is true or which is formally or logically prior, that will lead to a more complete understanding of alcoholism and the mechanisms of therapy.”

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Thursday, 24 October 2013

Conference Questions (2013) forum discussion (contd)



Question 2:

Would the Fellowship discuss, share experience and make recommendations whether, throughout AA's service structure, members of special interest groups are sufficiently represented?

[See also: The Traditions, Preamble and Concepts]

Extracts:

Mindful of …...'s comment in committee Six Question Two, that this forum is where those in service can get background to the conference questions, I thought it would be a good idea to include this AA Grapevine article from 1946 as background. Special interest groups have been around for a long time, tolerated rather than encouraged I think. The wisdom in this article as relevant today as it was in 1946. Some things don’t change. I think it would be unwise to have representation of special interest women’s groups in the service structure.

‘Women's Meetings’ AA Grapevine October 1946
NOW that women form an increasing membership in Alcoholics Anonymous, there seems to be a general feeling that they not only have a specialized problem, but, like the purple cow we'd rather see, they are one! Once every blessed so often, a woman comes in, works on the program, learns to tolerate and even to like all her fellow-men-and-women, and in general makes herself an admirable member. But for every dozen who do that, there is a basketful who become a combination nuisance, headache and problem.


Now there are plenty of men who make trouble. But somehow the trouble women cause is either so dramatized, or so disheartening, so shoddy and unnecessary that it seems far larger and more important than it actually is. At any rate, an unfortunate or harmful episode here and there is no longer an isolated experience. And while the writer of this is just one woman A.A. sticking her neck out (and very grateful, thank you, for anonymity in doing so), it is the thoughtful opinion of a number of old-timers, in groups all over the country, that it might be well to recognize the special difficulties that women present and meet them honestly. So this is a symposium, gathered from a number of groups. And letters of opinion and reaction are welcome.

Not Blanket Indictment
Here, then, is a list of perplexities and snags. Because the resulting friction discourages newcomers, and because such matters often cause slips of members well along in sobriety, no one who seriously wants to do the best job possible with and for sick people, should postpone facing the subject. But remember, as you read, that the faults and complaints apply only to some women--to many, perhaps--but not to all. They are not blanket accusations of the sex.

Female Frailties
1. The percentage of women who stay with A.A. is low. Too many of them drop out after the novelty wears off; a few months to a year and a half.
2. Many women form attachments too intense--bordering on the emotional. Best-friends, crushes, hero-worship cause strained relationships.
3. So many women want to run things. To boss, manage, supervise, regulate and change things. Twenty want to decorate; one will scrub or mend what is already around.
4. Too many women don't like women.
5. Women talk too much. Gossip is a cancer to all A.A. groups and must be constantly watched. Men gossip far too much, too. But few men use it for punishment, or revenge, or cutting someone down to size. Once the news value has been absorbed, men generally drop a topic. But women worry the same dead mouse until it's unrecognizable.
6. Women are a questionable help working with men and vice versa. In 12th Step work, the intimate confidences often lead to the pity that's akin to love, and is often mistaken for same. The protective, the maternal, the inspirational interest often lands one or both in a broadside slip--and sometimes in extra-marital experiments, which, however clothed in the glory of "honesty," are disillusioning to many others, and frequently present a troubling question to those who are actually trying to live the 12 Steps.
7. Sooner or later, a woman-on-the-make sallies into a group, on the prowl for phone numbers and dates. Oddly enough, perhaps, she does not wear a placard and is not always easily recognized. Results of her operations can cause havoc.
8. A lot of women are attention demanders. Spotlight sisters. They want to be spoonfed, coaxed, babied, encouraged, teased, praised and personally conducted into recovery.
9. Few women can think in the abstract. Everything must be taken personally. Universal truths, to many women, are meaningless generalities. These women are impatient of philosophy, meditation and discussion. This is the kind of woman who figures "Just let's have this bargain; we'll pay so much faith down and the rest in installments." Which is a deceiving deal, for such buyers are generally the ones who have to watch the collector come and take the piano back.
10. Women's feelings get hurt too often. They rapidly and frequently are misunderstood.
11. Far too many women A.A.s cannot get along with the non-alcoholic wives of A.A. members. They feel ashamed or defiant, and they show it. Often they unwittingly forbid overtures--and then feel snubbed! Lots of A.A. women feel they attend a meeting to be helped--and concentrate to the point of rudeness on non-A.A. contacts. If they behave superciliously toward the non-alcoholic wives of members, they should hardly complain of being treated coolly in return.

Jealousy Crops Up
In a great many cases it is those non-alcoholic wives whose attitude causes the general ill-will. Too often they feel superior--and show it. Some are convinced that alcoholic women are loose morally--or have been and probably will be again! These suspect all women A.A.s as potential rivals. Even when no threat of sex is present at all, a large number of these wives resent closed meetings and the intimate talks and confidences at which no non-alcoholic can be present. They feel left out, hurt, outraged and resentful. And were we in their shoes, might we not find it hard medicine to let our man take? Even were we good sports, we might feel self-conscious in front of these same women. How many women A.A.s stop to realize that?

Before any other consideration, let us remind ourselves again that not all women have the faults mentioned, nor has any one woman all the faults. And human nature being what it is, a number of men have these selfsame faults to a disastrous degree. But somehow, women can cause more trouble, and what is even worse, keep the memory of the unpleasantness alive longer and more acutely.

Not all groups have suffered from having women alcoholics either. But those that have, and the individuals who care (1) that women make a success of recovery, and (2) that they hurt as few people as possible doing it, have given long and careful thought to the difficulties.

Tested and Suggested Solutions 

Here are some of the gems of wisdom--and please write in any thoughts you have on the subject:

A. Women drift away.
This seems to come from four causes:
1. Disapproving, or resentful, impatient, or possessive relatives. No woman will remain long with any interest if she is forever having to defy, or make apologies or take sarcasm from those closest to her.
2. Reaction. When the honeymoon is over and it's a matter of settling down to steady loving work, when the swing of the pendulum goes from excitement, discovery and elation to the extreme of boredom, apathy, distaste, or disillusionment with another member, she is apt to go off the deep end.
3. Ulterior motive for entering A.A. She was not honestly seeking to get well for herself and her life, but for some purpose. Once that goal is achieved, her sobriety and her enthusiasm for A.A. evaporate.
4. She never grasped the full program. She was one of those, perhaps, who found a miracle return of health in the 1st and 12th Steps, plus group therapy. But those who brought her in never sufficiently impressed upon her that there are 11 Steps that mean work on ourselves and only one that means work with others!
Then too, women, while drinking, frequently had the thrill--wholly false, but very convincing at the time--of feeling they were cute, amusing, bright and witty, or full of energy and power. They find sobriety crushingly bleak and their ego bleaker. Since comparatively few have come in at a very young age, most women find the reality of facing up to middle-age or advancing years just too gagging--particularly since they have wasted their capabilities, drinking away time and thought--and are so poorly equipped for maturity.

Rooted in Subconscious
Put this down to rampant vanity if you will but it goes deeper into the subconscious than that, for men too know vanity and dread of age. Add the feminine slow poisons of the Prince Charming dreams, the Cinderella-rags-to-riches, the glamour-girl era, the stay-young-at-least-look-young campaigns that, however disavowed by the thinking woman, are as much a part of her subconscious as air is a part of water. (With exceptions, as to any rule, of course.) With A.A. she faces reality. The reconversion of the biggest war factory is a no more involved job than that!
A. Newcomers (men, too, but particularly women), should be made thoroughly conscious that they are very sick people--far sicker than they fully realize, and that their outlook and viewpoint, their tastes and their judgments are neither what they once may have been--or will be after a tested and sustained period of sobriety. A woman coming into A.A. is usually highly emotional; she has lived through a period of that peculiar kind of abyssmal loneliness that only drinkers can know, and her gratitude and dependency on those who are kind and helpful are apt to be all out of bounds and mistranslated both by herself and others. All her reactions are apt to be intense (even those who reached the lethargic slow-thinking stage can form fixations) and she should guard against any strong attachments, male or female, until she has been sober long enough to have achieved some stability.

With men and women thrown together in varying degrees of recovery from a disease that is charged with emotional disturbance, the pitfalls are many. Any alcoholic has come through a long lonely time of it (generally self-inflicted, but lonely just the same), and affectionate reactions, the old, old rebound, the new return of life and zest, the happy experience of understanding, tolerance and sympathy, have been the cause of too many slips to do Alcoholics Anonymous any bit of good, and have doomed many an individual to total failure in permanent recovery. Newcomers, therefore, should be impressed that we are all sick people in some stage of recuperation.
B. A sense of humor seems to be the remedy here--plus the first active practice of a little humility.
C. This may be due to a specific cause of treachery--or from century old rivalry. For too many generations to count, a woman's only hope of whatever luxury, care, and comfort her world offered, was through favor in a man's eyes. Since success could not always be counted on through our own wiles, there developed a neat technique in cutting our sisters from under--good!

Certainly a change of heart--or a change of viewpoint--is necessary in a sound, healthy, happy mind. Women are a good half of the population, and it behooves us, however slowly, to learn to like, to understand and to help each other; and when we have learned that, to pass on the idea as early as possible to our daughters and female associates.

It's odd and it's wonderful, that many women have learned to like women for the first time in A.A. We have, to begin with, that magical bond of common suffering that joins us in the battle for recovery. It's a suffering that pretty much strips us of the subterfuges and dodges we've practiced so long. We should nurture this basic premise and cultivate loyalty to each other, whatever each other's faults. Nothing, perhaps, will be more salutary to the whole parcel of A.A. problems than a feeling which all A.A. women should seek to establish, sustain and cement--that we stand together. Not against anybody or anything, but most certainly together. And show ourselves and the world that we can, do, and like, to work together.

Women's Meetings
Women's groups are working out successfully in many cities, though fundamentally segregation is somewhat contrary to A.A. principles. Alcoholics are banded together in the fellowship of a basic malady and as a part of our healing we must help each other and like our fellow human being regardless of who or what he or she may be. For women to set themselves up as a special case is questionable to say the least --particularly when one of our chief weaknesses as alcoholics has been to stress the I'm-different-and-nobody-understands-me solitude of thought that leads to desolation. On these arguments, many A.A.s are against women's groups. But there are no rules and regulations in A.A., and a number of women's groups are doing remarkably well. Some women prefer them.

There are others who have managed to straddle this point by forming women's units that have weekly gatherings, meeting in private homes. They are not run as groups per se, but an hour's discussion is held on a previously selected allied topic or a point in the program, after which the main portion of the evening is given to informal talk over refreshments. Thus each woman comes to know a number of others well enough to feel a kinship, to go to meetings with, to phone without a sense of strangeness, and to do 12th Step work with. There can develop a fine feeling week by week of confidence and understanding that is often of great aid in averting a slip.

D. So does everybody, and too often the curb is neither stressed nor practiced. A lot of newcomers earnestly resolve to refrain from gossip --only to be disillusioned by others who gleefully broadcast confidences and embroider details. A "repeater" is something like a Typhoid Mary. Any A.A. who tells intimate secrets and blabs case histories is as false to her trust as a priest or a doctor who would publish a patient's confessional outpourings. Discretion is a valuable lesson to learn; loyalty and kindness are even more so. Nothing should be told unless for the immediate and express purpose of aiding that sick person. We should privately vow never to tell anything without the knowledge of the person who gave the original confidence. If we set the aim that high, our tongues will be pretty well bridled.
E. Those who are sincere in 12th Step work are not apt to approach it with the remotest sense of flirtation, Lord knows. But sex consciousness is not to be denied by those even a fraction more than eunuchs, and if we pray "Lead us not into temptation," it should follow that we do not lead ourselves into it. St. Paul's admonition that we "avoid the appearance of evil" can save much misunderstanding and many false conclusions.

Certainly a woman new to A.A. should be advised to tread lightly --and never singly --with male members. She should be encouraged to work with a man, or get help from a man member only when another A.A. is present, male or female.
This practice of having another A.A. along is a quickly acquired resolution with many women anyway. (Except of course on visits to hospitals or other public places where help or witnesses if needed can be easily summoned).
F. For every lady "tramp" who comes into a group there are several times her number in wolves and would-be wolves. Unencouraged she'll drift rapidly out --or buckle down and do a job. Who are we to judge? We should refrain from judgment and give everyone a full exposure to our ideals. But being open-minded and tolerant does not mean to condone anything verging on loose morals.


The rest of the difficulties stated in this article are due to the particular struggle women have in understanding and acquiring the two foundations of A.A. --humility and honesty. We are born with organs that involve suffering and sacrifice. We find that this inheritance evokes in our fellow man the highest and the lowest of instincts. Is it any wonder that our emotional values, supercharged alternately with fear and desire, are apt to be unstable? Add to that the traditional conditioning of centuries of chattel status --of servitude, of the menial. . .

Recently in the world's history women have emerged as individuals with rights. Few as yet have been fully aware that with rights and privileges go responsibilities and obligations. But when women irk you, keep remembering how very, very recently were they permitted an education, allowed even to sing in a choir, be accepted in a college, or be permitted to own and dispose in their own names.
Until yesterday then, a woman's only way to whatever standing she achieved was chiefly through enticement, cajolery, defiance, subterfuge, the weapon of the deadly tongue, and pandering to man's basest instincts. Honesty comes hard? Humility comes hard? It's small wonder.

On the other hand there are innumerable women of our day (many are in A.A.) whose honesty and innate perfectionism became so ruthless and so intolerant that it led them into drinking. They perhaps more than anyone else have to pick themselves up out of the deepest disillusionment. And they, far more than men, are the ones apt to be most impatient and critical of their slower sisters whose minds and moral standards have had no training for the new so-called freedom.

When we were in favor, in the past, when we pleased, we were praised and flattered and treated tenderly. We instinctively expect such treatment now for whatever we do. Of course our feelings get hurt easily; we are oversensitive--we are cruelly aware of our secret inferiority, and many of us are acutely conscious of our inadequacy to handle freedom.

So let's be patient and understanding, we women, of ourselves and of each other. And let men remember, when baffled, that women are working out of an inheritance of abject slavery.

The real problems aren't so different in the main from those of men. Men perhaps have other basic defects, some harder, others easier to recognize, admit, and discipline. Except that we can be dangerous to each other, thank the Lord who made it so. Let's not kid ourselves. And let's not make a point of it. But let us recognize it --honestly and humbly.

It's true that circumstances alter cases. But not much.

…........
Manhattan, New York “

(our edits and our emphases)

Comment: The above article is no more than a rather protracted (and self contradictory) rationalisation in support of the 'special and different' brigade. Simply substitute gay, straight, black, white, young, old, newcomers, oldtimers etc for “women” - together with a few stereotypical modifications added to further distinguish the category - and you have a ready made template for yet another so-called “special interest” group! Of course the author is quite correct in stating: “.....there are no rules and regulations in A.A ….” . However there is equally no rule or regulation which states that the remainder of AA has to accept their inclusion in group listings or participation in the service structure or indeed their right to refer to themselves as AA groups. The “they're only guidelines” defence cuts both ways! If such a group were to object to exclusion and claim that the traditions prohibits such action the argument may equally validly be made - well the traditions are 'only' guidelines! We don't HAVE to abide by them!

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

PS We have to say that our very own “Ferret Fanciers in AA”(non-restrictive) recovery group is doing particularly well. But then we, of course, are the exception!

Wednesday, 23 October 2013

aacultwatch forum


Extract from our forum: http://forums.delphiforums.com/aacultwatch underPlymouth R2R infiltrating other 12-step”

"Hi ........ 

Thanks for your post. I think it is very relevant to this forum because I think all 12 step fellowships might be being targeted by the destructive cult(s). It may be that we are dealing with one international cult which at group level goes under a multitude of names and is spread across numbers of 12 step fellowships. I detect a movement operating under various descriptions and corporations targeting 12 step fellowship members with intent to amalgamate them into one evangelical neo-Oxford Group 12 step “recovery community”- a cure all for any addiction or compulsive behaviour. The movement has been powerful enough to split the national group conscience in USA/Canada, leading to AA losing official use of its Circle and Triangle trade mark to outside enterprises. A decision was taken in 1993 for AA World Services Inc. and AA Grapevine Inc. to stop using and protecting the symbol against the weight of around 170 unauthorised users. These included novelty manufacturers, publishers, and treatment centers. (Box 4-5-9 August-September 1993 ‘Letting Go' of the Circle and Triangle As A Legal Mark pp. 5-6: http://aa.org/lang/en/en_pdfs/en_box459_aug-sept93.pdf. This was also reported in AA Grapevine  December 1993, Vol. 50 No. 7: “Around AA Whatever Happened to the Circle and Triangle?”

Unfortunately there was a large enough lobby within the fellowship supporting novelty manufacturers' illegal misuse of the symbol on medallions; this combined with enough timid, complacent or apathetic conference delegates who avoided their responsibilities of leadership in concept IX, to stand firm on traditions and their duty to act as guardians of the fellowship; to actively provide the deterrent to outside entities described in the General Warranties of Conference (specifically Concept XII, Warranty Five). An alternative to letting go of the symbol according to Warranty Five would have been for conference delegates to instruct the boards of AA World Services Inc. and AA Grapevine Inc. to inform the general public of the symbol's illegal misuse, naming the publishers, treatment centers and novelty manufacturers who were using it illegally. And also, to ask Public Information committees throughout the AA world service structure, local and national, to deploy the protective action in warranty five by informing the general public also. 
I think the symbol is still copyright and used in some forms by general service boards in UK and some other countries. So let’s hope the general service boards in these countries can hold onto it before AA loses its identity completely to outside enterprises. The primary aim for cults is to gain power for their leaders, to make them money, and to recruit new members. The profits from cult study guides, sponsor guides, step guides, meeting guides, distorted AA history guides, workbooks, other pre-conference and non conference approved literature, sobriety chips, medallions and other novelty items all head up somewhere to someone's big fat wallet.

You might find it useful to read …...'s post under the “It has reached us too” thread.  Also, the  “TLM in Alanon UK?” thread by …..

I think it has helped me to learn how cults operate, which is why I put up the "Useful Resources" threads in section 3 of this forum. I think large international cults are difficult to recognise because they can have numbers of front companies and groups under different names, continue to evolve, change names, recruitment targets and sometimes locations.  They can be recognised more by their behaviour, group structures and type of language they use. The cult group in my AA intergroup was called “There is a Solution,” affiliated to the Primary Purpose Group, Dallas Texas and Dick B literature. Now that it has closed down, after much local opposition, I gather the person who started the group (and main driving force behind it) has relocated to another area. Thanks again for your post, I found the information useful to know.” 

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)

Tuesday, 22 October 2013

Around AA Whatever Happened to the Circle and Triangle, December, 1993




And:

Box 459, August-September issue, “'Letting Go' of the Circle and Triangle As A Legal Mark” (pp. 5-6)

Comment: For “'Letting Go' of” above read 'Abdicating Responsibility for'!


PS For AA Minority Report 2013 click here

Monday, 21 October 2013

You CAN have your cake AND eat it!


For all those dogmatists out there who think that God DEFINITELY does exist or that He/She/It/They DEFINITELY doesn't exist good old Kant (and others) come to the rescue:

Idea of God

Kant stated the practical necessity for a belief in God in his Critique of Practical Reason. As an idea of pure reason, "we do not have the slightest ground to assume in an absolute manner ... the object of this idea", but adds that the idea of God cannot be separated from the relation of happiness with morality as the "ideal of the supreme good". The foundation of this connection is an intelligible moral world, and "is necessary from the practical point of view"; compare Voltaire: "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." In the Jäsche Logic (1800) he wrote "One cannot provide objective reality for any theoretical idea, or prove it, except for the idea of freedom, because this is the condition of the moral law, whose reality is an axiom. The reality of the idea of God can only be proved by means of this idea, and hence only with a practical purpose, i.e., to act as though (als ob) there is a God, and hence only for this purpose" (9:93, trans. J. Michael Young, Lectures on Logic, p. 590–91).

Along with this 'idea' on reason and God, Kant places thought over religion and nature, i.e. the idea of religion being natural or naturalistic. Kant saw reason as natural, and as some part of Christianity is based on reason and morality, as Kant points out this is major in the scriptures, it is inevitable that Christianity is 'natural'. However, it is not 'naturalistic' in the sense that the religion does include supernatural or transcendent belief. Aside from this, a key point is that Kant saw that the Bible should be seen as a source of natural morality no matter whether there is/was any truth behind the supernatural factor, meaning that it is not necessary to know whether the supernatural part of Christianity has any truth to abide by and use the core Christian moral code.

Kant articulates in Book Four some of his strongest criticisms of the organization and practices of religious organizations that encourage what he sees as a religion of counterfeit service to God. Among the major targets of his criticism are external ritual, superstition and a hierarchical church order. He sees all of these as efforts to make oneself pleasing to God in ways other than conscientious adherence to the principle of moral rightness in the choice of one's actions. The severity of Kant's criticisms on these matters, along with his rejection of the possibility of theoretical proofs for the existence of God and his philosophical re-interpretation of some basic Christian doctrines, have provided the basis for interpretations that see Kant as thoroughly hostile to religion in general and Christianity in particular (e.g., Walsh 1967).Nevertheless, other interpreters consider that Kant was trying to mark off a defensible rational core of Christian belief. Kant sees in Jesus Christ the affirmation of a "pure moral disposition of the heart" that "can make man well-pleasing to God".

Kant had exposure to Islam as well and reflected about the role of reason therein.”

Source: Wikipedia – Kant 

And from William James (Wikipedia) (author of The Varieties of Religious Experience) (cited in the book Alcoholics Anonymous, There is a Solution, Ch 2, p. 28):

Cash Value
From the introduction to William James's Pragmatism by Bruce Kuklick, p.xiv.
James went on to apply the pragmatic method to the epistemological problem of truth. He would seek the meaning of 'true' by examining how the idea functioned in our lives. A belief was true, he said, if it worked for all of us, and guided us expeditiously through our semihospitable world. James was anxious to uncover what true beliefs amounted to in human life, what their "Cash Value" was, what consequences they led to. A belief was not a mental entity which somehow mysteriously corresponded to an external reality if the belief were true. Beliefs were ways of acting with reference to a precarious environment, and to say they were true was to say they guided us satisfactorily in this environment. In this sense the pragmatic theory of truth applied Darwinian ideas in philosophy; it made survival the test of intellectual as well as biological fitness. If what was true was what worked, we can scientifically investigate religion's claim to truth in the same manner. The enduring quality of religious beliefs throughout recorded history and in all cultures gave indirect support for the view that such beliefs worked. James also argued directly that such beliefs were satisfying—they enabled us to lead fuller, richer lives and were more viable than their alternatives. Religious beliefs were expedient in human existence, just as scientific beliefs were. “

Will to Believe Doctrine

Main article: The Will to Believe
In William James's lecture of 1896 titled "The Will to Believe," James defends the right to violate the principle of evidentialism in order to justify hypothesis venturing. This idea foresaw the demise of evidentialism in the 20th century and sought to ground justified belief in an unwavering principle that would prove more beneficial. Through his philosophy of pragmatism William James justifies religious beliefs by using the results of his hypothetical venturing as evidence to support the hypothesis' truth. Therefore, this doctrine allows one to assume belief in a god and prove its existence by what the belief brings to one's life."

(our emphases)

Comment: It would seem the “truth” is a far more elusive concept than the dogmatists (scientific or religious) would have us believe!

Cheerio

The Fellas (Friends of Alcoholics Anonymous)